Sick and tired of the silly rape argument in abortion.

Well it's called the advancement of civilization and in particular here western civilization such as we hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

 

No but I've heard of canards and dodges which you posted.

Baby's have been saved and attempts are made to keep them alive but most do die, they are not killed they are not innocent healthy human beings the healthy mother simply does not want to continue living. And there is NO evidence any women and babies who were in such a medical condition have not received proper treatment.

So why is it used to try and justify abortion on demand without restriction as is the rape argument?

 

Holy ****.

Wow.

The idea that humans are preprogrammed from genetics in nearly all facets is crazy.

Learned behavior isn't a thing? Just more attempts to disregard individual responsibility.

 

RvW is no longer here. Abortion policy now requires legislation by each state. Viability is a subjective term and babies about to be born are viable, do you or do you not support a healthy mother killing her healthy viable baby the day before it is to be born because she does not want it to continue living? Should any legislation allow that or should there be restrictions of when a mother can kill her unborn baby?

 

So, the baby is not a human life until birth?

 

Certainly more than the number that get abortions due to rape.

 

That is the best you got when it comes to your fundamental rights? "So?"

 

Show me where the right to kill someone who is causing you an inconvenience is embodied in the law and our founding principles which clearly proclaim your right to your life.

Requires an imminent threat to life and limb.

 

Prove it

 

Exactly. You discussed it.

 

Umm no…. It is not a subjective term, it is a medical term. Yes, a baby that is ready to be born would be considered medically viable, but again.. those kinds of abortions were never under any kind of federal protection. Of course I don’t support that, but that’s not what we’re talking about. What we are talking about are abortions before viability

 

Exactly.

 

Show me where it says people can be enslaved to take care of a being inside their own bodies

 

Percent of women who cited rape as the reason for abortion .4%

Percent of women who cited maternal health concerns 2.2%

 

The fetus did have a chance to discuss it.

Their life was ended without their input, unlike you and your spouse.

 

So no proof women have abortion to avoid stretch marks. Got it.

 

Yes, because a fetus, that isn’t viable outside the womb, doesn’t have the ability to talk. As such the mother is the one that should be able to make decisions for it, not the govt. But I get it, you want govt to have more control over people.

 

If the unborn is not to be given any moral consideration, then yes, it's just a decision by the woman about her own body.

But if the unborn is to be given moral consideration, then we all have a reason to speak up for them, just as we would with any other being in peril.

Otherwise you would be saying that the one who wants to kill somebody and who put them in peril should be the only one to speak for them when they can't speak for themselves.

 

So what your neighbor does with her body is your business. Huh…ok.

 

My post was primarily facetious, but; if you believe some women don't get abortions out of convenience and desire to not have post birth bodies you're kidding youself.

 

I want us not to advocate the murder of babies like some barbaric knuckle dragging society willing to completely **** on morality and decency out of convenience.

At what point does a fetus have "rights"?

 

I’ll buy the convenience thing.

 

No one is murdering babies. I believe, per US law a fetus is not legally considered a person until it is born. So at birth is when a fetus has rights.

 

So hypothetically, a woman 9 months pregnant is targeted and attacked with the intention of unaliving her fetus, and the only charge should be simple assault?

Government rights are not provided, but inherent and provided by our creator. I don't carenif government defines life and rights beginning at 24 hours post birth. It is my position that murdering a fetus is still murder and the inherent rights of the human were violated.

In our not so recent past, government also defined black people as 3/5s of a person so excuse me for not seeing them as the authority over these kinds of things.

 

No they aren't, they are made up.