Simple question... Who is it more sensible to believe?

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  1. SamSkwamch

    SamSkwamch Banned

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    At this link you will find 2,554 Architect and Engineers who do not believe the story that we were told and want a new investigation.
    http://www.ae911truth.org/signatures/ae.html

    A few anonymous internet folks claim to know exactly what happened and call these people idiots.

    How do we know who to believe?
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I trust the folks at NIST, FEMA, ASCE, AIA, and all of their associated engineers and architects...more than your folks, many of whom are NOT licensed architects and engineers.

    many of those signatures are NOT AIA licensed architects.

    many of them merely have a bachelors degree in architecture.

    many of them are just interns.

    some are merely landscape architects

    I counted exactly 95 AIA registered architects.

    as far as the "Licensed Engineers", many of them are NOT Civil Engineers, but instead chemical, mechanical, geological, and other engineers. Some of them even admit they merely have a Bachelors degree.

    your so-called "2,000 Architects and Engineers", is a blatant lie.

    AE911 Truth has committed fraud.
     
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    Prove it, do not just state that.
     
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    look through their list of Licensed architects.

    many state they merely have a bachelors degree.

    they don't claim to be AIA licensed.

    as for the engineers, many admit they are NOT civil engineers, but instead chemical, mechanical, electrical engineers.

    such folks are not qualified to determine with any kind of authority that the collapses were not caused by plane damage, heat, weakened steel, and gravity.

    even if we assume ALL the licensed architects and engineers have the right qualifications, the number is way below 2,000.



    its pretty (*)(*)(*)(*)ing dishonest for AE911TRUTH to list chemical engineers, mechanical engineers, electrical engineers, and unlicensed architects and folks who are only interns, as folks who are qualified to speak with authority on matters of high rise architecture and civil engineering.

    thanks for making me aware of their fraud and indecency and deception
     
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    SamSkwamch Banned

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    I understand what you say. We all do. You do thid all the time. Now post proof of this.

    Thanks
     
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    Not really, you don't need to believe either, especially when it's proven that at least one of the above has lied and committed scientific fraud.

    http://www.politicalforum.com/9-11/458597-nist-9-11-scam-exposed-all-its-glory.html
     
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    the 2,500 number, is a lie.

    many of them are NOT AIA registered Architects.

    many of them only have Bachelors degrees.

    many of the engineers, are not civil engineers.

    AE911Truth has committed fraud.
     
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    SamSkwamch Banned

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    We know for sure that YOU KEEP STATING THIS. PLEASE POST YOUR PROOF!
     
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    review their qualifications on the page you posted.

    the proof is there.

    many of the Architects are NOT AIA certified.

    many of the engineers are not civil engineers.

    many of these folks only have Bachelors Degrees or are interns.

    YOU posted the proof already with your link.
     
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    SamSkwamch Banned

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    Whatever you say, I guess, we should just take as fact? Please just post your proof. You have made some insane statements.
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    i dont expect you to trust me.

    i expect you to read the link that YOU posted.

    what are you afraid of? the truth?

    you posted the (*)(*)(*)(*)ing evidence, now review it
     
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    SamSkwamch Banned

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    Fine, no proof as usual.

    Be well.
     
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    you posted the proof.

    its in your link.

    i guess you refuse to read your own link.

    Typical Truther tactic
     
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    SamSkwamch Banned

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    Repeated Fail, not doing own research. -10 (or more)
    Repeated Fail, spammig the same lie over and over. - infinity almost

    From my link:

    Ensuring Our Credibility: The AE911Truth Verification Team

    Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth has an extraordinary Verification Team. They are a very special group of volunteers – individually responsible for ensuring that signers of the AE911Truth petition are real and the information they provide is accurate. All petition signers are verified, whether they are architects, engineers, or “other” supporters, and regardless of whether they live in the United States. Verifying 13,000 petition signers, 1,400 of whom are licensed and/or degreed A/E professionals, is no small task....


    [That number stands at over 2,500 today as this references the numbers from 2011.]
    http://www1.ae911truth.org/news-section/41-articles/430-credibility.html
     
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    their own page listed Architecture interns.

    folks with just a bachelors degree.

    unless you are AIA licensed, you are not a true architect in the USA.

    if you are are not a civil engineer, your engineering experience is irrelevent to the 9-11 collapses.
     
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    I am not interested in BELIEVING anything. I looked up the definition of BELIEVE decades ago and decided it was stupid, so I came up with my own.

    To accept something as true, or false, without sufficient evidence. Therefore belief is stupid by definition.

    I suggested making a physical or virtual model of the north tower years ago. Then remove 5 stories, 91 through 95. Let gravity take its course. Completely removing 5 stories is more damage than aircraft impact and fire could do. So if taking 5 stories out won't make the tower completely collapse then the plane could not have done it.

    So how is it that we can make computer simulations of the global climate 100 years into the future that "scientists" take seriously but can't simulate a skyscraper that was designed before the Moon landing?

    I do not care who did it. The engineering schools that have failed to clearly resolve this in 15 years are as guilty as whoever was responsible.

    psik
     
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    I prefer google's first definition:
    "an acceptance that a statement is true or that something exists."

    Source: https://www.google.ca/search?q=belief

    Different people believe in different things. Why one person believes something while another does not is certainly something worth considering. Some people have reasons that don't stand up to the test of logic, others do.

    I'm pretty sure what you're looking for is logical beliefs.
     
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    as am I ... and I find the majority of truther beliefs illogical ...
     
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    Ofcourse. On the other hand, truthers would find the majority of non truther beliefs regarding 9/11 to be illogical. I believe that the point of discussing things is to find out which beliefs are truly logical and which aren't.
     
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    An oxymoron.

    psik
     
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    It depends upon one's definition of belief.
     
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    I like that model and I agree.

    I suggested that a computer model be designed for CD such that it would destroy any or all 3 WTC towers in similar fashion to the manner in which they were all destroyed. I'm sure it would be an expensive project but I'm also sure it can be done.
     
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    I already gave it.

    psik
     

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