So you thought that sex was binary with a strict division between male and female

This is an excellent overview of the science.



“Nearly 2% of live births are born with atypical sex development”.

I have always thought of sexuality as a spectrum rather than a black and white issue. Science is now confirming that

 

interesting video on it too

 

I look forward to watching it. Chiming in to keep it on my radar.

Everything in the natural world is on a spectrum. On this, we agree. It’s right before our eyes, everywhere we look. Except gender, It’s the only exception, except hermaphroditism, which is the only exception to the exception… oh wait, doesn’t that make gender a spectrum? Ponderous.

 

Excellent and informative.

 

Do you have the link for part 2?

 

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Interesting video and thanks for posting. One thing I'm glad to hear is that medical practitioners are a little more reluctant to intervene surgically when a child is born with more ambiguous sexual characteristics. That comes off to me is guessing what the child should be and chances are you might guess wrong.

I remember watching a few documentaries about people that fit this category years ago and how almost always the doctors got it wrong.

 

Studies don't show that 2% of our population is born with atypical sex development. Based on the constructs of the studies put together by certain scientist.....and based on the concept that atypical sex development can happen even with no physical traits pointing to it....these scientist estimate 2% of population is born with atypical sex development. They admittedly...if you read other articles on this....lack true data collection.

With that in mind this is easily classified as shoddy activism.

 

Lols! Blown away by the citations backing that twaddle

 

More research on the genetic basis for gender dysphoria

https://academic.oup.com/jcem/article/104/2/390/5104458?login=false

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0306453018305353


https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s42000-020-00174-1

 

Explain the data collection method used in this study or any study that points to 2% of our population being biologically asexual.

 

sorry, I thought that was the full clip, I watched it when on tv

I see can pay to see it avail on Prime and Youtube, but is $1.99

"Are There More Than Two Sexes?" S7 E3
"Through the Wormhole with Morgan Freeman"

"Science reveals the line between male and female is blurred. And the battle of the sexes is happening deep within our cells. Are there more than two sexes?"


https://www.imdb.com/title/tt6065986/

one of the interesting parts was how the body is constantly fighting to keep us male or female and this can be changed to go one way or the other

 

https://cadehildreth.com/gender-spectrum/

The correct term is intersex

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/sex-redefined-the-idea-of-2-sexes-is-overly-simplistic1/
https://dnascience.plos.org/2020/01...der-identity-genomics-counter-discrimination/

 

Watch the video. This isn't a study, it's well-documented medical conditions. Use wikipedia if you feel suspicious about any of the claims. The percentage isn't really the important point.

What's important is that these people exist and it's not just people who feel like the other gender in their mind while their bodies are typical. I know conservatives feel prejudiced against such people, but they aren't the whole story anyway so let's start with cases we can agree challenge your conception of it as binary. Some of them are described in the video.

By the way asexual isn't the right word here. Asexual refers to somebody who doesn't feel sexual desire.

 

Can you please show me how the human species can naturally procreate without it being binary? That would be great.

 

Because not everyone is non-binary.

Sorry but this is a nonsense argument - there are a lot of people who cannot have children for various issues - are they “less”

 

I am going to use this thread as a repository for counter arguments to the endless “LGBTQ” people are not human” threads we are seeing. So it is my intent to post argument and counter arguments here.

Argument: All mammals have clear sexual distinction between male and female

Answer: Welcome to the worlds of the Hyena

https://www.wired.com/
and at that point my eyes started watering

 

You either produce sperm or produce eggs. That's the sum of it. Our species is binary because you need one of each to procreate.

Anything else is a figment of your imagination.

 

There are a hell of a lot of people who do not produce either - or at least not enough to reproduce - are they “less”

 

And those people can't reproduce.

Which doesn't make us anything other than binary species. Lol.

Until you can prove that we can reproduce by something other than the two genders of our species...you are failing at simple biology.

 

With 7.8 billion people currently on the planet I do not see a small percentage of people who cannot/will not reproduce as being a threat to human survival

And I ask again - do you see people who are unable to reproduce as “less”?

 

You seem to be missing the reality here.

Our species is a binary species. Because that's what we need to procreate. You can't argue against that. Because you know that's a reality. Anything outside of man/woman is a defect. Not a gender. Not a sex. A defect.

We will not stop being a binary species unless you can have just a sperm or just an egg creating a human being on its own.

You get it now or do I need sock puppets?

 

And the whole point of this thread is to point out these “defects” exist

And you have finally answered my question of “Do you see people who cannot procreate as less?”

So every person with Klinefelters or other syndromes that affect reproduction are “defects” (such a Nazi way of looking at it) Every woman with polycyclic ovaries is a “defect”? Every man unfortunate enough to get HSV is a “defect”? https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/12801561/

Are women past menopause “defects”?

Causes of infertility https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/infertility/symptoms-causes/syc-20354317

 

First...the video was useless...made for childrens TV.
There is no data collection. The data is really not data at all but sumising and assuming. It a claim is made by a scientist that carries no weight. If a statement is made that 2% of the population is Asexual then it is expected that data on the population was collected. And that data collection should come with stringent guidelines. Otherwise it's people hypothosizing using their own definitions of what Asexual is....like big clits and small dicks.

Sometimes you meet people that say alot but say nothing. That is what this study is doing.

 

Ugh, stop butchering the terminology. Asexual refers to a lack of sexuality, not gender.

It's not meant to be a study and I couldn't care less about the 2% figure. It's to make you aware of conditions like androgen insensitivity syndrome. If you were aware of that disease alone, you would realize that sex isn't binary, but rather bimodal with a spectrum. I get that it doesn't start with the strongest examples like Turner syndrome or Klinefelter syndrome, but there are some incontrovertible ones that show you sex isn't binary.