Something new about the Trans rights movement

Discussion in 'Civil Rights' started by Jolly Penguin, Mar 19, 2021.

  1. Le Chef

    Le Chef Banned at members request Donor

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    What post are you responding to?
     
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    Derideo_Te Well-Known Member

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    Let me clear up something else while I am at it.

    Being too IGNORANT to understand what DEFINES a mental illness, a genetic defect and NORMAL VARIATIONS of our genetic code is just SAD!
     
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    Seriously...."NORMAL VARIATIONS??? So a wayward bit of genetic code misfires and ALTERS (YOUR word) the brains' ABILITY to "align" with the physical body.....AND that is to be considered "NORMAL VARIATIONS"??? Pray tell, WHAT POSSIBLE EVOLUTIONARY ADVANTAGE is gained by the brain being ALTERED INTO MISIDENTIFYING THE BODY??? Try NONE WHATSOEVER......but I would take it being "GENETIC" in origin as a good thing, SCIENCE might one day develop a treatment that prevents and/or reverses that "MISIDENTIFICATION" .....which begs a question....IF such a treatment were found would the "Trans Rights Movement" HAIL it, or CONDEMN IT? I'll put MY money on the latter.....YOU laid it at the feet of genetics and wish to PRETEND IT'S A "NORMAL VARIATION" .....so spin away friend, spin away.:)
     
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    Derideo_Te Well-Known Member

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    Scientific STUDIES have established the GENETIC basis for transgendersism.

    That makes it FACTUAL!

    It ALSO makes it NORMAL!

    Transgenders have been RECORDED throughout history for the last 6,500 YEARS!

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transgender_history

    What is ABNORMAL is Science DENIALISM!

    Sad that you choose to EMBRACE Science Denialism rather than deal with FACTUAL reality.

    :roflol:
     
  5. Le Chef

    Le Chef Banned at members request Donor

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    A bunch of ad homonyms and assertions does not a rebuttal make. Answer a question or two, if you can.
     
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    Derideo_Te Well-Known Member

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    My position is supported by FACTS and SCIENCE.

    Get back to us when you have anything of MERIT to post.
     
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    Transgender fighter Alana McLaughlin wins MMA debut.
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    New York Post: “Here, finally, is the telos of the open, enlightened, liberal society: a hulking man pummeling a woman and calling it victory.”

    They're mad.
     
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  8. Le Chef

    Le Chef Banned at members request Donor

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    My God. Maybe that dude is pretending to be a woman to discredit the trans movement. I'm still sorry he beat up that girl.
     
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    Trans people are insisting that their interlocutors acquiesce in a lie. A man is a man and a woman is a women no matter how they "identify."
     
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    I wonder why we are not getting banned? All of our (those who aren't crazy)'s posts in this thread are arguably anti-trans, if not transphobic.
     
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    No it isn't.

    No it won't.

    You clearly didn't read the OP. You clearly set out to divert from it, and to scream virtue signaling in all caps.

    The OP was not about discrimination against people simply for being trans. It was about something quite different being demanded by the "trans rights" activists, that is new and reaches beyond what black, women, and gay rights activists fought for and won.
     
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    I don't think any of that can rightly be called either. Fear and hatred of trans people could be. But simply disagreeing on what gender they are isn't the same thing, and that's what the OP is about.

    Gay rights, black rights, etc are all about treating people as equals regardless of race, sexual orientation etc. Black rights people demand black people to be treated as equals, as black people. They don't demand we call them white.
     
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    No you shouldn’t be forced to call someone by gender and on another note this will destroy women’s rights. We’re already seeing this play out in sports, but how will this play out in affirmative action? Will women now be competing against white men again, just because they claim they’re females? Will they be exempt of being drafted?

    this will have total adverse effects on the women rights movement.
     
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    Yes, it may dismantle some of the differing rights between men and women. I am not entirely convinced that would be a negative.
     
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    That YOUR response is little more than NAYSAYING and PUERILE ad homs WITHOUT anything that actually addresses the DISCRIMINATION and the SCIENTIFIC data provided in my post says VOLUMES regarding the vacuous indefensible OP content.

    Sad!

    :roflol:
     
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    That is you, not me.

    You still have yet to comment on what the OP actually says.
     
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    If a dude wants me to pretend that he's a woman that he can pretend that I got the damn vaccine.
     
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    Trans.. a cute liitle ol' Marxist term for the age old mental peccadillo of cross dressing.
     
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    So if a certain segment of society starts insisting that night time is actually daytime and this small little percentage is going to start demanding that the rest of us participate in this delusion, at what point do we all start insisting that night time is actually daytime?

    Well the whole damn world can do it but I ain't.
     
  20. Derideo_Te

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    WRONG on ALL counts AGAIN!

    The OP has CONSISTENTLY FAILED to establish that transgenders want something OTHER than just their EXISTING RIGHT to NOT be discriminated against which is EXACTLY the same thing that ALL of the other prior groups wanted.

    SAD that the OP cannot substantiate their BOGUS allegation.
     
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    Here's something-

    I'm an X-ray tech. If you show me a pelvis bone, I'll tell you if it belongs to a man or a woman with one glance.

    No amount of transitioning or hormonal estrogen concoctions is going to change the shape of a pelvis bone.

    A thousand years from now, when an archaeologist unearths the bones of a M-to-F transitioned person, the archeologist will take one glance at the pelvis bone and say, "Yup, this was totally a dude."
     
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    The idea is that gender and sex are different things. One is the physical characteristics you are pointing at (Y chromosome, etc) and the other is social identity.

    If a trans person can pass for the other sex, I see no reason for it to bother me. The issue I think arises when they don't pass for the other sex and insist we all see them how we otherwise wouldn't.

    The question then becomes if identity of somebody within society is something a person dictates to society, or something that they negotiate with society.

    And this becomes important if society grants different privileges and different rights to different identities within it. Less so if it doesn't.
     
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    Does a black woman have the same IDENTITY as a gay male Hispanic?

    Yes or no?

    Does an Asian American beer distiller have the same identity as a Muslim cleric?

    Yes or no?

    Does a member of the Armed Forces have the same identity as a Hippie growing pot in his backyard?

    Yes or no?

    NONE of them are "DICTATING" to society who they are.

    Society just ACCEPTS them for who they are.

    WHY does the OP have a BIG PROBLEM just because a teacher or a truck driver or a plumber or a manager or a single mother or a tattoo artist or an accountant are transgender?

    Why is being TRANSGENDER so DIFFICULT for the OP to grasp?

    Transgenders are REGULAR PEOPLE who have NORMAL LIVES like everyone else.

    NOT being DISCRIMINATED AGAINST for being transgender is their Constitutional RIGHT.

    No amount of DISINGENUOUS equivocation by the OP is going to alter that INDISPUTABLE FACT.

    WHY can't the OP just ACCEPT transgenders for WHO they are?

    WHY is the OP insisting upon DICTATING the TERMS of ACCEPTANCE for transgenders?

    Because that is what this thread is all about, namely the OP's abysmal LACK of understanding about transgenders and the KIND of DISCRIMINATION that the OP wants to IMPOSE on them through a DENIAL of ACCEPTANCE.

    SAD!
     
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    This is all a war against the fundamentals of reason, self evident truths, basic science, and the foundation of society. To name it progress is to glory in destruction. One is either male or female. And marriage is between a man and a woman. These are basic and intuitive truths to which one should remain near, and if necessary lash oneself to, because in the end, come hell or high water, the truth is all one has. Is it too burdensome to simply do the right thing and hold dearly in perpetuity to the basics. Is it too much to ask to do just a little....to simply remain near to that which is already established in truth and familiarity. Do the worlds voices drown it out or change the truth. Even the sundry voices of a nights marsh coalesce to a chant, and divide us not asunder but to peace. Yet one remains in firmness, and marvels at natures declarations. Is it too much to simply abide. Why are people so quick to discard truth for a lie.
     
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    Hmmm.. I responded to this Derideo character, again telling him/her/it/they/zer/whatever thay they failed to read the OP properly, and my post was deleted for "making inflammatory attacks", against this person who has a distinctive inflammatory attack way of posting.

    So... I guess I just put this person on ignore? Is that what the rest of you have done? SAD!
     
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