The Antichrist and the False Prophet

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  1. yabberefugee

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    I have my own ideas that coincide with Bible teachings about the Great Tribulation. Most importantly, there are many individuals that encounter tribulations that cannot be exceeded. Given that, there is so much more to be done in the here and now.
     
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    There is a substantial difference in scale though.
    For example, if you get your personal Tribulation and explode to pieces, the world would barely notice. If the wold however explodes you cannot do your deeds "here and now" even if you wanted to. You will have to die with the world (physically that is, don't get me wrong).
     
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    True to a point. Once the body is destroyed.....no difference to the individual. You are then hurled into eternity, IMHO a different dimension we don't understand. Matter space and time as we know it are temporal. Read the Book!
     
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    Well, not exactly. The thing is in the subjective worlds there is no time as we know it. A moment can feel like an eternity an an eternity like a moment. Christianity has taken that and twisted it to absurdity. Because eternal hell and eternal paradise make no sense.
    But after these eternities there is a new experience on Earth coming until you become 'perfect'. This has been documented by scholars and scientists in many books, unlike your 'Book', which looks more like a bed time story from '1001 nights'.

    Yes, they kinda are. Certainly in terms of that material, antagonistic and hellish worlds we inhabit.
     
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    My BOOK as you call it, the Bible, is perhaps way to deep for you. That is why I told you about another book earlier. Thought you might find it very intriguing. It doesn't even discuss Christianity OR Bible for the first half. It deals in logic, science and philosophy. that has been proven and verified. Thought it might appeal to you. I wouldn't emphasise "hell" too much. Some are living that here on earth. If they get it, it's because they desire it. A Loving Creator only gives you your hearts desire. The dilemma is, He made us sovereign over our being. Have you ever desired a girl who snubbed you? After a while she asked you "can we just be friends?" That comment has cut many men to the quick. But your love for her might convict you to go your own way. God does the same thing in a greater way. I just say these things in the hope you desire a greater understanding.If not, no offense intended and none taken.
     
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    Well, you were first. ;)

    Perhaps. I don't pretend to be all powerful and all knowing.

    M, not exactly. I have desired many things and most of them were not given. But I know your cop out - it was my mind, not my heart, right? :lol:

    I've witnessed some great things, alright. I don't have complains about that. :)
     
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    What is the other book you are referring to that is about "logic, science, and philosophy"?

    I agree about the "hell" stuff. It is absurd to suggest that eternal suffering is a thing, as punishment for being "bad." That is consistent with the psychopath god of Genesis. The older the bible stories are, the more absurd they are.

    Now take somebody like St Paul who wrote up to half the books, in some estimations, and one quarter of the words of the New Testament. He lived at the time of Caligula, and Paul was definitely well informed about Caligula, and all the emperors. Caligula was in power for only 4 years, then he was assassinated by his own Praetorian Guard, for being too insane. In 2 Thessalonians Paul talks about the Antichrist, the "man of lawlessness." You cannot deny that character is very Trumpy. How can you not see that in our time, the main character is a clever con artist, a reality show host, who considers himself an all-deserving "star." Paul said, "he exalts himself above everything...." In Daniel 8:25 it says "is arrogant, shall exalt himself above others." Nobody, but nobody, is as narcissistic and arrogant, exalting himself almost daily. "Mouth of a lion...feet of a bear." You cannot deny that Trump is the Antichrist, Elon Musk is the latest of a series of False Prophets (following Rush Limbaugh) that have been influencing our elected Antichrist. And Putin, the war criminal, and all-around evil character, is the "dragon."

    2 THESSALONIANS 2:

    3 Don’t let anyone deceive you in any way, for that day will not come until the rebellion occurs [Jan 6] and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the man doomed to destruction.
    4 He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God’s temple, proclaiming himself to be [president] God.
    5 Don’t you remember that when I was with you I used to tell you these things?
    6 And now you know what is holding him back, so that he may be revealed at the proper time [what is holding him back?]
    7 For the secret power of lawlessness is already at work; but the one who now holds it back [who holds him back?] will continue to do so till he is taken out of the way [was Jack Smith taken "out of the way"?]
    8 And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will overthrow with the breath of his mouth [Covid pandemic in 2020] and destroy by the splendor of his coming.
    9 The coming of the lawless one will be in accordance with how Satan works. He will use all sorts of displays of power through signs and wonders that serve the lie,
    10 and all the ways that wickedness deceives those who are perishing [Jan 6 rioters in prison]. They perish [Ashley Babbit perished as did a few others]

    "On January 6, 2021, one rioter was killed during the Capitol riot: Ashli Babbitt was shot by a Capitol Police officer while attempting to climb through a broken interior window leading to the Speaker's Lobby, while other rioters were trying to break down the door, in an area close to the House Chamber. In addition to Babbitt's death, 3 other rioters died during or shortly after the events of January 6. Kevin Greeson died of a heart attack. Rosanne Boyland died from being crushed in the crowd. Benjamin Philips died of a stroke. One Capitol police officer, Brian Sicknick died the next day."

    because they refused to love the truth and so be saved.
    11 For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the [BIG MAGA ELECTION] lie
    12 and so that all will be condemned who have not believed the truth but have delighted in wickedness.

    2 Thessalonians 2 NIV - The Man of Lawlessness - Concerning the - Bible Gateway
     
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    When I read those verses, I read them with the question in mind "what is God wanting to show me here?" When you read those verses, you seem to do it with the idea...."how can I discredit God and show the world how clever I am". That is the difference between you and I.
     
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    Why is it non-believers are the ones to most likely cut and paste scripture? Is it because they see themselves as "lawyers/pharisees" and they do so to beat others over their heads with it?
     
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    Why do "believers" ignore obvious and outstanding verses from their favorite book? Because they are blinded to the evil. Because the "ends justify the means" Americans elected the Antichrist and his False Prophet into power.

     
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    Guess all that is left is.....you'll have to stay tuned!
     
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    In my particular case I believe that there is no logical comparison between President Donald J. Trump with Bill Gates.........

    due to the fact that President Donald J. Trump would NEVER have put Robert F. Kennedy Jr. into a high position of authority.......

    ... unless Trump to some degree felt that Dr. Lance Wallnau must have been onto something with his prediction to Trump back in 2015 or 2016 that Trump has some sort of

    "Mantle of Cyrus!!!"

    I personally compare Trump vs Gates...... and to my mind Gates is like Adolf Hitler ...... because Gate's lecture "Innovating to zero" from 2010 can be compared with M e i n K a m p f on many, many, many, many levels!!!!!????

    Now YOU OutsideTheBox will be unlikely to regard the following message as funny...... .but.......

    I would still love to get into this topic with you!


    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...al-party-back-in-2012.623407/#post-1075117414

    I tried to rival Mr. Justin Trudeau for the role of National Leader of Liberal Party back in 2012?



    True.... and keep an eye on the reality films plus semi-reality science fiction films that emerge out of the Canadian province of Alberta...........


     
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    It seems to me as if the people who want a world war...... want to set up WWIII by using a Bear Market to prepare people for Biden Bucks........

    even if they have a new name by the time that they are released........

    I do believe that the impending Bear Market can be prevented.... and so can the most obvious plan to start WWIII with what has been happening between the Ukraine and Russia.......

     
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    There are Christians who are praying for the world to end, so they can go to heaven forever. They are glad to see that the American people elected the Antichrist and his False Prophet Musk to bring on the end times. I didn't want the little horn to usher in the last days. I would rather skip the end times. In the KJV of the bible, the word "trump" is an abbreviation of "trumpet" as in the LAST TRUMPET. The bible says we get 42 months, 3.5 years, until the end, counting from Jan 20.

    Revelation 13:5-7 says the Beast is given authority to act for 42 months. During this time, it is said to blaspheme God, wage war against the saints, and have authority over all people, tribes, languages, and nations.

    "The beast was given a mouth to utter proud words and blasphemies and to exercise its authority for forty-two months." (Revelation 13:5, NIV)

    This is concerning a time of great tribulation, persecution, and spiritual conflict.

    HE does as he pleases – “Then the king will do as he pleases, and he will exalt himself and boast against every god and will speak dreadful things… and he will be successful until the indignation is finished” – Daniel 11:36 NASB -
    “I just start kissing them. It’s like a magnet. Just kiss, I don’t even wait. And when you’re a star they let you do it. You can do anything."
     
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    That is an excellent point...........

    even misguided prayer is powerful.........

    Jesus said that we would answer for every "idle word"............. this would of course be especially relevant if we even prayed in a way that was terribly misguided...............

    I think that I told you about this guy before..........

    but I know that you would really like this near death experiencer who was shown about how Peace could be given to the Holy Land...........


    God's Peace Plan for the Holy Land, Hebrew and Arabic.

    http://godspeaceplanfortheholyland.blogspot.com/2014/07/gods-peace-plan-for-holy-land-peace.html





    http://godspeaceplanfortheholyland.blogspot.com

     
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    Could apply to Barrack Huseein Obama.
     
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    That is absurd, and you know it. Nobody, but nobody, in our world resembles the classical Antichrist the way Trump does. I gave you a list of character traits of the Antichrist. Show me how Obama has those traits. Obama is not a "vile person" with the "mouth of a lion" and "feet of a bear." You are blinded to the evil. Trump obviously has Antichrist-like characteristics. Elon Musk is clearly the False Prophet who supports him (who brings fire from heaven down to the earth), and Putin is the "dragon."



     
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    The relationship between the Antichrist (Trump), the False Prophet (Musk), and the "Dragon" (Satan/Putin) is described in Revelation. These three are an "unholy trinity," a counterfeit of the Holy Trinity (Father, Son, and Holy Spirit).

    Revelation 16:14: "They [unholy trinity] are demonic spirits that perform signs, and they go out to the kings of the whole world, to gather them for the battle"

    Revelation 19:20
    : "But the beast was captured [indicted, convicted, but not sentenced, except for fines], and with it the false prophet [Elon Musk] who had performed the signs on its behalf. (""And he [False Prophet Musk] doeth great wonders [Spacex, Tesla, Starlink, etc], so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men." (Revelation 13:13, KJV)


    The two of them were thrown alive into the fiery lake of burning sulfur."

    Revelation 20:10
    : "And the devil [Dragon/Satan/Putin], who deceived them, was thrown into the lake of burning sulfur, where the beast [Antichrist] and the false prophet had been thrown."

    So, the unholy trinity end up together in hell.

     
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    Brother Paul has a series of Youtubes about Antichrist Trump. He believed Trump would win the 2020 election. Months before the 2024 election, Paul said he believed Trump would win the 2024 election.

    Ten Character Traits of the Antichrist (Among many others):
    1 "mouth of a lion" - Revelation 13:2
    2 "boastful and arrogant"..."exalts Himself" - Daniel 7:8 and 2 Thessalonians 2 - nobody exalts themselves as frequently as Trump does
    3 "denies the Father and the Son" - 1 John 2:22 - Trump does not seek God's forgiveness
    4 "a VILE person" - Daniel 11:21
    5 "Throws truth to the ground" - Daniel 8:12
    6 "Comes in His own name" - John 5:43
    7 "Has a covenant with many for one week" - Daniel 9:27 - Abraham Accords
    8 "Loves gold" - Revelation 13:18
    9 "Honors the god of forces Apollo" - Daniel 11:38
    10 "Is called the little horn (in the KJV trump means trumpet, as in the last trumpet, or trumpet of God)" - Daniel 7:8

     
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    Trump exalts himself as usual and proclaims that he was saved by God to save the world. He said over and over again, "This world is going down." He was chosen by God to SAVE THE WORLD. "Saving the world" is a Godlike attribute. According to Christianity, Jesus saves the world, but Trump is claiming HE is the savior, almost claiming to be God. Who acts like the Antichrist? His false prophet is Elon Musk, and the dragon is Putin.

     
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    The parabolic meaning of beast

    Ecc 3:18 I said in mine heart concerning the estate of the sons of men, that God might manifest them, and that they might see that they themselves are beasts.
    (God declares that the peoples of the nations are like beast.)


    Israel's descendants were mixed among the gentiles, or as stated, "seed of men mixed with the seed of beasts"


    Jer 31:27 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will sow the house of Israel and the house of Judah with the seed of man, and with the seed of beast.


    (God pronounced that His New Marriage Covenant to Israel would be with the beasts. (Nations)



    Hos 2:18 And in that day will I make a covenant for them with the beasts of the field, and with the fowls of heaven, and with the creeping things of the ground: and I will break the bow and the sword and the battle out of the earth, and will make them to lie down safely.
    (Beasts / Nations) (Field / world) (Nations use birds and other creatures to represent their nations.)




    Matthew 13:38
    The field is the world, and the good seed stands for the people of the kingdom. The weeds are the people of the evil one,...
     
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    Same same for Gerald Ford and Ronald Reagan who also dodged bullets. But unlike Trump, I don't think they worshipped themselves too.
     
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