The Bible and Protestants.

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  1. Quantrill

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    Admission?

    The Palestinian canon, the Jews of Israel, determined the Old Testament. This is the same Old Testament I believe is Scripture.

    When you say the Christian Church did not reject the Apocrypha, that is a misrepesentation. The Apocrypha is only found in the Church in the 4th century. And many, including Jerome, including Athanasius, and others did reject the Apocrypha.

    The Old Testament is the Jews, and the Jews of Palestine should be the ones to determine its canonicity. In other words, by the time of Christ, the Old Testament was already finished, and the Apocryhpa were not included.

    I am Christian also.

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    1Kings 17:9, 17-23

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    Im sticking with secondary until you can prove otherwise.

    Who determines the apostolic teaching? In other words, feel free to interpret, but if you differ with the church, your interpretation is wrong.

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    There are no books missing from my Bible. And I believe Revelation 22 also.

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    Where's the torture?


    It refers to Maccabees.
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    Felicity Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    We have a HUGE book that outlines our beliefs with footnotes and cross-referenced. Here's a link. Educate yourself.


    http://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG0015/_INDEX.HTM
     
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    Again. Where's the torture described in Hebrews in your story from Kings? It's not there--it is ONLY in Maccabees, and Maccabees is MISSING from your Bible.
     
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    I've given up on Quantrill. The canonical councils of Hippo, Rome, and Carthage were the very first canonical councils and they have been demonstrated to include all the books, including the deuterocanonical books. That's a fact and is not a matter of opinion. I can't have any meaningful discussion with someone who clings to error in the face of refutation. Such a person loves lies rather than truth and illusions rather than reality. Any discourse with them is ultimately fruitless because they do not share my fidelity to truth or my ability to subject my beliefs to correction when they are found to be in error.

    I'm sorry, Quantrill. But I think you'd make a terrific member of the Flat Earth Society. Check it out!

    http://theflatearthsociety.org/cms/
     
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    You said there was no reference to women recieving their dead in the Protestant Old Testament. Now you bring up the torture.

    Go ahead, dance.

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    As I said, until you prove otherwise, Im sticking with 'secondary'.

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    Again, you never mentioned torture. You stated there was nothing in the Protestant Old Testament of a widow recieving one from the dead. Yet, there it is.

    Now you bring up the torture. Funny how you didn't bring that up before.

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    You mean, apocryphal books. No one doubts these local councils inculded the Apocrypha. No one doubts there were some individuals that accepted the Apocrypha. But not in the begining of the Church. And the Apocrypha were not declared as canonical by the Roman Church until the Council of Trent. And that was due to their needing it to fight the Protestants. It was not due to their believing these books carried the evidences of inspiration in them.

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    What? That doesn't make sense...perhaps you should re-read what I wrote.

    I said there was a reference to scripture not in the Protestant OT.
     
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    willful ignorance, then. That is your choice.
     
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    Please refer to my actual post:
    http://www.politicalforum.com/4395203-post361.html
     
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    In your post #371 you said Hebrews 11:35 refers to a story only found in Macabees..."And yet that story of the women recieving their dead by resurrection is the only one among them not in the Protestant canon of the OT."

    But, as has been proved, women recieved their dead in the story of Elijah and the Widow and her son.

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    Not ignorance. I know Scripture is secondary to the Church and tradition in the Roman Church. You have something of Roman dogma to prove otherwise now is the time to show it.

    If you can't thats fine. But, you shouldn't call one ignorant when your unable to disprove the claim.

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    Are you SERIOUSLY hanging your hat on semantics? Despite what "I" said--do you see that the Maccabees story is referred to in Hebrews as SCRIPTURE?

    jeesh--if it's just about winning an argument rather than about winning "the race" then I'm wasting my time with you.
     
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    I knew you'd see it sooner or later.
     
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    No. I showed you that you were wrong. Something you have an impossible time admiting. Being wrong is just 'semantics'.

    If your not interested in winning your debate or proving your position, why are you on a forum in the first place.

    Yes, so far you have wasted your time.

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    Exactly. But remember, God sees all.:sun:
     
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    He must have good eyesight.
     
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    Used to terrify us as kids when we went potty....God is watching.
     

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