The Bible Promotes Slavery

The Supernatural Know-it-alls who wrote the Bible didn't prophecy the end of slavery. They condone slavery and wished for it to be an everlasting institution ... Hmmm ... Food for thought ... Those who say the Bible is perfect and is relevant for our time, indeed, for all time should consider this ...

 

Remember your destiny =

Isaiah 14:1-2 (CEV) = "14 The Lord will have mercy on Israel and will let them be his chosen people once again. He will bring them back to their own land, and foreigners will join them as part of Israel. 2 Other nations will lead them home, and Israel will make slaves of them in the land that belongs to the Lord. Israel will rule over those who once governed and mistreated them."

According to the Jewish Babylonian Talmud, each Jew will get 2,800 slaves in the afterlife.

Taken together, that sure seems like Jewish supremacy.

 

Fake news.

 

we know, but many believe in it as the word of God

ok to beat a slave as long as it takes more than a couple of days for them to die

"If a man smite his servant or his maid, with a rod, and he die under his hand, he shall be surely punished; notwithstanding, if he continue a day or two, he shall not be punished, for he is his money. Exodus 21:20-21"

 

Ironically the idea of a chosen people seems identical to Hitler's theory of a master race.

I am now waiting for a believer to post the cliched old covenant v. new covenant argument.

 

And you know what's ____-up? Dummies believe the biblical fairytale about the chosen race and even think that they will get eternal life for believing in one. Now that is some serious brainwashing.

 

Well, the Bible is a symbolic book, so the whole purpose of studying it is not to take it literally at first glance.

Another point is, I wouldn't put on trial the past to the present, unless you want to be trialled against future standards. Also, there are more modern day slaves in the world than ever before.

In a way, everyone is a slave in one form or another. Anyone who disagrees, just stop paying your taxes, you will soon find out. So you are a slave to the American land with the foreigners that joined you.

 

I think those things were taken out of context or misinterpreted.

I am not going to waste the effort arguing with a video, but if you want to provide the text to some arguments, I can have a discussion with you and explain anything specifically.

 

First of all, those other nations had done some really bad things, in many cases had taken Israelites as slaves and their whole society had been perfectly okay with that.
Second of all, things that are prophesied for the future are not necessarily completely condoned by God.

There are some other things to consider as well. If those were evil societies and they were living on stolen land, what would be the fate of those people?
In that time, conquered peoples that had tried to fight against and kill your people were either killed or put into slavery.

The two peoples could not live side by side, because then the evil culture of the other society would infect the Israelites, and assigning them a separate state to live in often would not work so well either, because then there were ethnic tensions and those people still wanted to kill your people, especially in the culture back then.

"Slaves" also should not necessarily be taken completely literally. It could mean making slaves of other nations, not taking individual people as slaves. Another nation living nearby might have to pay Israel tribute or provide services to them, or abide by the decrees of Israel's king.

The Jewish Talmud is not necessarily completely biblical. Christians do not hold it as a book of faith, and probably would disagree with many things in it.

 

One would think, since God is the Creator of the Universe, all lands belong to the Lord.
What's with the longing for that barren land called Palestine / Israel?

 

The idea was that if the death took time, death was probably not the intentional result. In those days punishments like today did not really exist. The concept of long lengths of time in prison did not exist. So there were not really any good punishment options.

The slaveowner had an incentive not to kill his slave because then the slave would not be able to work for him. Slaves usually cost a considerable amount of money. You might recall the 30 pieces of silver that Judas got, the price of a slave, was enough to buy a small field.

It can also be pointed out that just because the law did not prescribe a punishment for something does not necessarily mean it wasn't wrong, or that it is what God preferred people to do. For example, the law allowed them to divorce their wives, but later Jesus said that was not the good thing to do.

 

of course, it was just a beating if the death took time... right?

 

There is a legal difference. Such as the difference between murder and manslaughter, or the difference between first and third degree murder.

If you are intentionally trying to kill someone, it's rather hard to beat them in such a way that it will take a whole day for them to die.

You can also realize that any slave master who severely beat his slave would be taking a small risk that they might very quickly die.
If you read the context of the rest of the surrounding text, it sounds like the punishment to the slave master in that case could perhaps include death.

It is reasonable to guess that the punishment could have depended on the exact circumstances and the slave master's prior history of beating slaves. For example if he had previously beat another slave to near death.

We really can't know what other punishments might have been available. I'm going to guess maybe they might have beaten the slave master, or maybe confiscated his slaves from him (which would also have been seen as a big punishment due to their cost).

 

How about:

One could argue that "servant" and "slave" are not the same but they are mentioned in the same context (the ox, ass and cattle are slaves to man). And the Jewish "servitude" in Egypt - was it a de facto slavery or wasn't it?

 

I'm going to guess that would include both servants and slaves.

At that time there was less of a distinction between the two.

Some slaves were treated almost exactly as servants. It was not so easy for them to just walk away because there was nowhere to go to. For pastoralists, they needed livestock to survive. If a slave ran away, they would probably just have to be a servant to someone else nearby, might even be treated worse. If they were even lucky enough to find someone else who needed another servant.

I don't see how that verse you cited supports slavery. It could simply be read as "if you have slaves, don't make them work on this day".

 

ah, so if you beat someone and they die it's a crime, if they live or don't die within two days, it's not a crime

 

Exactly! Moral of the story: OT God is OK with slavery. That is approves, if not promotes, slavery, which is the thesis of the OP.

 

Yet the OT also says God COMMANDED the Israelites to TAKE slaves, and that he allowed them to beat those slaves within an inch of their lives. Whoops.

 

Welcome to slavery =

Isaiah 14:1-2 (ERV) = "14 The Lord will again show his love to Jacob. He will again choose the people of Israel. He will give them their land. Then the non-Israelites will join the Israelites, and both will become one family—Jacob’s family. 2 Those nations will bring the Israelites back to their land. The men and women from the other nations will become slaves to Israel. In the past, those people forced the Israelites to become their slaves. But in the future the Israelites will defeat those nations, and Israel will then rule over them in the Lord’s land."

 

Horrid trash contained in the tomes of all three of the desert rat f religions. Apologies to Bedouins,

 

God would never demand such a thing! It is not in his nature to demand that. Never ever. He's perfect and never changes.
That's what he used to demand!
Har Har Har

 

Religions are the creations of men. They usually take legitimate teachings of great people like The Buddha or Jesus, then cherry pick what allows them to better dominate and control, create their hierarchies, and voila! A religion that will cause countless wars.
Spirituality beats religion more often than not, though religious people can also be spiritual.

 

Such a sweet lil god.

 

Ironically, that sound like something Hitler would say. Did God tell anyone other than the Jews that
they are the chosen people,

 

Hitler was far less racist than the biblical God character.