The C.D.C. Isn’t Publishing Large Portions of the Covid Data It Collects

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  1. trumptman

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    The C.D.C. Isn’t Publishing Large Portions of the Covid Data It Collects
    The agency has withheld critical data on boosters, hospitalizations and, until recently, wastewater analyses.
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    For more than a year, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has collected data on hospitalizations for Covid-19 in the United States and broken it down by age, race and vaccination status. But it has not made most of the information public.
    Filed under.... we all know what they are hiding because they'd shout the good data from the mountain tops rather than give rationales not to show it.​

    In multiple posts like this I've noted how we have to go outside the United States to find this information.

    When the C.D.C. published the first significant data on the effectiveness of boosters in adults younger than 65 two weeks ago, it left out the numbers for a huge portion of that population: 18- to 49-year-olds, the group least likely to benefit from extra shots, because the first two doses already left them well-protected.​

    So the effectiveness for adults... 50-64 years old. The rest is hidden. Reading between the lines since this article is obviously trying to break the news and prime the population for a certain pending outcome, the "first two doses left them well-protected" translates as the booster did nothing. With granular data we'd also see they were already well protected without the two doses.

    Two full years into the pandemic, the agency leading the country’s response to the public health emergency has published only a tiny fraction of the data it has collected, several people familiar with the data said.

    Much of the withheld information could help state and local health officials better target their efforts to bring the virus under control. Detailed, timely data on hospitalizations by age and race would help health officials identify and help the populations at highest risk. Information on hospitalizations and death by age and vaccination status would have helped inform whether healthy adults needed booster shots. And wastewater surveillance across the nation would spot outbreaks and emerging variants early.​

    There's a reason that it isn't published. The newspaper is talking about a differentiated response based on risk factors. It is clear that no one in charge has wanted anything like that to happen. They've endorsed and demand a one size fits all solution for everything.

    Without the booster data for 18- to 49-year-olds, the outside experts whom federal health agencies look to for advice had to rely on numbers from Israel to make their recommendations on the shots.

    Kristen Nordlund, a spokeswoman for the C.D.C., said the agency has been slow to release the different streams of data “because basically, at the end of the day, it’s not yet ready for prime time.” She said the agency’s “priority when gathering any data is to ensure that it’s accurate and actionable.”

    Another reason is fear that the information might be misinterpreted, Ms. Nordlund said.
    Israel, the UK and other sources have their information in order. We have to use their data because our data "isn't ready for prime time".​

    Also on top of that... you'll think about it in the wrong way. If they can't guarantee your intentions and how you'll think, then they can't release the data.

    Remember when people used to say... just follow the data? Now they chant just hide the data.

    If the CDC with a Democratic President, House and Senate along with compliance corporations and social media can't get you to see the proper data with an appropriate analysis what does that really say about the data?

    The C.D.C. is a political organization as much as it is a public health organization,” said Samuel Scarpino, managing director of pathogen surveillance at the Rockefeller Foundation’s Pandemic Prevention Institute. “The steps that it takes to get something like this released are often well outside of the control of many of the scientists that work at the C.D.C.”
    The CDC is a political organization AS MUCH as it is a public health organization.... hmmmm..... sounds like another one to cross off where the conspiracy theorists were just telling the truth ahead of the media narrative.​

    Of course the CDC is a political organization. You know how you separate the politics from the SCIENCE? You use the ****ING DATA that is being hidden.

    Last year, the agency repeatedly came under fire for not tracking so-called breakthrough infections in vaccinated Americans, and focusing only on individuals who became ill enough to be hospitalized or die.​

    Why do people keep saying the people in certain scenarios are always unvaccinated? It is because there is no requirement to track BREAKTHROUGH infections in vaccinated Americans. Classic GIGO. If you don't track it, then it didn't happen.

    The agency presented that information as risk comparisons with unvaccinated adults, rather than provide timely snapshots of hospitalized patients stratified by age, sex, race and vaccination status.
    Again this is intentional. If the stratified information were presented it wouldn't be MISINTERPRETED. It would be properly interpreted that most people have almost NO RISK. THIS IS INTENTIONAL.

    But the C.D.C. has been routinely collecting information since the Covid vaccines were first rolled out last year, according to a federal official familiar with the effort. The agency has been reluctant to make those figures public, the official said, because they might be misinterpreted as the vaccines being ineffective.​

    Ask how bad these numbers have to be that they HIDE them. In another thread about fact-checking it was noted how Facebook invented "missing context" for fact checks where they couldn't say anything factual was wrong but basically it was wrong because people would THINK incorrectly about it. The facts are fine, your thoughts are not.

    The same rationale is here. You can't see the data about vaccines because that DATA will be MISINTERPRETED as the vaccines being ineffective. No they ARE INEFFECTIVE and now that everyone out there has either had a prior variant or caught Omicron they are over COVID and want to move on. The data still has to be hidden. There's nothing good to highlight.

    Some outside public health experts were stunned to hear that information exists.

    “We have been begging for that sort of granularity of data for two years,” said Jessica Malaty Rivera, an epidemiologist and part of the team that ran Covid Tracking Project, an independent effort that compiled data on the pandemic till March 2021.

    A detailed analysis, she said, “builds public trust, and it paints a much clearer picture of what’s actually going on.”​

    Granularity is what we've all been begging for in data, public responses, emergency declarations, treatment of our kids, all of it, for two years.

    The begging is over. The midterms are coming.

    Concern about the misinterpretation of hospitalization data broken down by vaccination status is not unique to the C.D.C. On Thursday, public health officials in Scotland said they would stop releasing data on Covid hospitalizations and deaths by vaccination status because of similar fears that the figures would be misrepresented by anti-vaccine groups.​

    Remember ENGAGE.... this is the opposite. The data is hidden. The people who generate it cannot defend it. There's nothing to defend. It's as bad as a META earnings report. Censorship can't save it. Spin can't save it. They have to hide it.

    There's plenty more of course and this is akin to closing the barn door after the horse has left. It is going to happen though and anyone with half a brain should remember the patter of dogma, hidden data and platitudes. They just repeat. It doesn't have to be a party thing or a vaccine thing. It's the "college is always worth it" or "earnings ratios don't matter, it's the internet" or "they aren't making anymore land ya know..." or.... SAFE AND EFFECTIVE.

    Think for yourself. Engage!!!
     
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    Dude - we all know people who have had Covid and most of know someone who has died from it.
    We personally SEE the difference between people who have been vaccinated and those who have not.
    This isn't some grand secret or conspiracy. I've two friends suffering from Long Covid - it's no joke.
     
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    Daniel, I am so sorry you have seen this up close and personal. I truly hope your friends recover well with as few complications as possible.

    I lost to family members in January 2021 and I had COVID in November 2020. I was asymptomatic and I have NO clue where I got it.
    It's heartbreaking this has been used as a political weapon.
     
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    No you don't.

    You see that line down below? The one that says unvaccinated with previous COVID diagnosis and it is LOWER for the hazard rate than vaccinated with no prior COVID diagnosis.

    That's the reality. If you've got two friends suffering from long COVID then they likely have a host of other health issues allowing their body to remain in that state for so long. They're likely generating loads of variants. They might be a big harm to the planet.

    https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/71/wr/mm7104e1.htm

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    I've had it. Recovered in 4 days. My wifes friends - an entire family - all had it...had no symptoms. I've had acquaintances from work have it. They all got over it within a week.

    Needless to say beyond the data, my personal experience is that this **** is a joke.
     
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    Gosh, it's so hard to believe that CDC would be covering up the cheating by Pharma!

    Well, I guess Mike Wallace showed the same thing with CDC and Pharma during the Swine Flu scamdemic in 1976, so maybe it's very easy to believe. :D
     
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    Somebody's getting filthy rich.
     
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    I've made money in stocks during all this nonsense.
     
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    I believe he meant the vaccine and all the shutdown and mandates were a joke......a very expensive one. I personally know 3 people that have died of Covid, 2 were vaccinated and one was not. I have had the original Covid and Omicron. I know firsthand the virus itself is no joke, but the response to it was a joke and a taxpayer rip-off.
     
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    Guns and Pharma were my two biggest gainers. I made enough to retire (64yrs old) after my accident.
     
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    ..and when we began to hear and see the big announcements from MSM and government about COVID, what were your first thoughts?

    This was mine...

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