The Case for Ron DeSantis.

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  1. Zorro

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    The Case for Ron DeSantis.

    'In the year 2023, the single all-encompassing threat facing the American people is the metastasis of the woke ideology, which spreads like a cancer and is weaponized by the out-of-touch ruling class elites who populate all the major institutions of our political and civic life.'

    We have been subjected to an aggressive onslaught, a fight we did not pick and never wanted, nevertheless, the fight has been forced upon us.

    'There is no elected official in America who better understands this reality and—even more important—who has wielded political power to repeatedly fight back against it than Ron DeSantis. Whether it is anti-Americanist critical race theory or gender ideology indoctrination in the elementary school classroom, the university faculty lounge, or the corporate boardroom, DeSantis has taken decisive measures to defend civilizational sanity and curtail or outright proscribe the dissemination of wokeism's corrosive tenets.'

    And he's done so more effectively than any other politician in America.

    'DeSantis' remake of New College of Florida as a "Hillsdale College of the South" is perfectly emblematic of the approach now needed to recapture lost institutions, over a century into the Left's insidious "long march," to salvage and revive the American experiment in ordered liberty. DeSantis' similarly defense against The Walt Disney Company is the encapsulation of how a conservative elected official' responds effectively to 'today's woke-addled social decay: the prudential wielding of political power to bolster the forces of civilizational sanity and punish the forces of civilizational arson within the confines of the rule of law.'

    THE LEFT HAS CAPTURED AND CO-OPTED THE LARGE CORPORATIONS

    'His ongoing battle against a Fortune 500 corporate behemoth may offend the delicate sensibilities of libertarian purists wedded to outmoded 1980s-era bromides, but it reveals a sound understanding that, in the year 2023, corporate America is firmly on the side of civilizational arson—not civilizational sanity.'

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    Trump held himself out as a Champion "Vote for me, I'll whip all of them!" And he fought harder and did better, until they beat him, than probably any person could, but, they beat him. Yes they cheated, but they routed him. Yes they lied, but they drove him from power. Yes, it was unfair, but, we do not award the presidency to redress past wrongs. Had Trump restrained his mouth, just a bit, he would have carried a few more percentages of the vote and they probably couldn't have stolen the election.

    Trump's not going to change. And this time around, he's not the Smart Business Man with a new approach focused on bettering the situation for the American People. He is an angry man who wants to get even, and while that is certainly justified, that is not the Just Application of government power. That 'get even' is what drove Obama/Biden/Hillary to launch this attack on Trump. We've had enough. What is important is US and OUR interests, not anyone else's.

    'Perhaps most impressive from the perspective of an aspiring presidential candidate, DeSantis is almost singularly responsible for transforming the nation's third-most-populous state, which was once the iconic swing state that decided the 2000 presidential election by a paltry 537 votes and which only first elected DeSantis himself in 2018 by a 0.4% margin, into the beating heart of red-state America. By leading the top of the ticket with a whopping 19.4%-point victory this past November, DeSantis helped usher in an all-Republican state Cabinet (the first time that has been the case since Reconstruction) and Republican supermajorities in both houses of the state legislature. Thanks to that influence and those victories, the recently completed Florida legislative session successfully enacted the most sweeping agenda of any state in modern American history. The legislative session's myriad achievements, too numerous to list in full, touched on virtually every hot-button issue: immigration, abortion, guns, gender ideology, and education among them.'

    Whereas Trump gave us a Champion who would single-handedly take them all on, DeSantis offers us a General, who will bring in the staff, the support folks, the vast number of people necessary to confront the entrenched forces bunkered in and around the Potomac.

    Please discuss.
     
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  2. Independent4ever

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    That is all well and good - but he still has no shot to beat Trump despite being a much better candidate

    GOP has an opportunity to control everything after Nov 24 if enough focus more on winning the election and not "owning the libs"
     
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    Great point!

    Well we'll see when the votes start being cast. DeSantis plans to have his folks meet and greet every single potential voter, four times, in the first three contests.

    Mon, Jan 22 Iowa caucuses
    Tue, Jan 30 New Hampshire primary
    Tue, Feb 6 Nevada Primary

    That will be a fast two weeks. 137 delegates will be chosen

    Then Super Tuesday:
    Tue, Mar 5 Alabama primary 52 50 Open
    Tue, Mar 5 Arkansas primary 31 40 Open
    Tue, Mar 5 California primary 416 172 Mixed
    Tue, Mar 5 Colorado primary 67 37 Open
    Tue, Mar 5 Maine primary 24 22 Closed
    Tue, Mar 5 Massachusetts primary 91 41 Mixed
    Tue, Mar 5 Minnesota primary 75 39 Open
    Tue, Mar 5 North Carolina primary 110 71 Mixed
    Tue, Mar 5 Oklahoma primary 37 43 Closed
    Tue, Mar 5 Tennessee primary 64 58 Open
    Tue, Mar 5 Texas primary 228 155 Open
    Tue, Mar 5 Utah primary 29 40 Closed
    Tue, Mar 5 Vermont primary 16 17 Open
    Tue, Mar 5 Virginia primary 99 49 Open

    Over 900 delegates will be awarded.

    A lot of races in a lot of states follow at a rapid clip. That means focused campaigning over a large geographic area, all at the same time. Does Trump have that kind of campaign infrastructure? Maybe his airport rallys will replace that? We'll certainly know how it's shaping up by the end of March.

    Rolling Stone tries to paint Ron DeSantis as evil for “bringing the ax down on furries,” makes huge campaign contribution instead.

    'FLORIDA GOV. AND GOP presidential nominee Ron DeSantis has successfully sucked the pleasure out of many of life's little joys, from drag brunches to Disney adult TikTok. And thanks to the passage of SB 1438, or the Protection of Children Act, DeSantis may now be bringing the ax down on furries.'

    '"Life's little joys" include drag brunches, Disney adult TikTok, and furries?'

    'On Wednesday, the organizers behind Megaplex, an Orlando-based convention for furries — people who enjoy dressing up as or making art of anthropomorphized creatures — posted a statement on Twitter regarding its policy for admitting minors. The statement was in response to SB 1438, which makes "knowingly admitting a child to an adult live sex performance" a first-degree misdemeanor punishable by a year of prison and/or a $1,000 fine.'

    'Furries are banning children from their pervert conventions.'

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    The primary election is still a ways off. Don't count DeSantis out just yet. "It ain't over til it's over". If there's a debate between Trump and DeSantis then the winner of the debate will be DeSantis.
     
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    DeSantis is boring, uninspiring and lacks integrity. Good luck with that buffoon!
     
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    Ron is just Jeb Bush, if Jeb Bush had tried to be more Trumpy. The difference is that Jeb knew he didn't have the personality to be Trumpy. DeSantis isn't that self-aware.
     
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    I'm looking forward to the debates so I can eagerly listen to him pretend he's got morals and not once consider voting for him. Gonna be a fun time, can't wait.
     
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    Trump and Biden are a sure combination to make almost anyone else look pretty good.
     
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    THE CASE AGAINST DESANTIS

    let us begin with priorities

    'In the year 2023, the single all-encompassing threat facing the American people is the metastasis of the woke ideology, which spreads like a cancer and is weaponized by the out-of-touch ruling class elites who populate all the major institutions of our political and civic life.'

    can desantis define"woke ideology? " if treating people fairly and equally , the essence of woke ideology, the golden rule, christianity and civilization itself us a problem why don't you just say so?

    at any rate, the long lines at disney world nor target's marketing gimmick are america's worst problem.
     
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    Ah yes, the "woke" ideology, truly the biggest and most prominent threat to our nation.

    It is truly refreshing to know that "wokeness" is the main threat to the US, and surely not the sheer number of mass shootings, inflation, changes in environment, government corruption, fentanyl cases, or the lingering aftereffects of the Ukraine-Russia war. Really, we are truly blessed to have a candidate who believes a very vague term that most conservatives can't define if they're asked is his main goal.
     
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    Let's be clear. It's NOT going to be DeSantis. I don't like making predictions. But I do make this one. DeSantis doesn't have the personality, or the ideas, or the intelligence, or... anything... with which to beat Donald Trump.

    This is not the first time I have said that it's not going to be DeSantis. I said it months ago. It's easy, even for Republicans, to realize that he is a really really bad candidate. Fascism can motivate some MAGA bikers... but even those who thought this was "Trump light": with all the rhetoric, but none of the crimes, are starting to understand that they are not going to win the presidency on the basis fascism.

    I strongly believe that the candidate is going to be Trump. But I hesitate to make a definitive prediction. However, if anybody is going to beat Trump, I can confidently say that it's NOT going to be DeSantis. It has to be somebody who is willing to take on Trump. DeSantis has already demonstrated that he doesn't have the stamina for that. Maybe Chris Christie.... Though he might be regarded as "too liberal" by MAGAs. Maybe somebody else.
     
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    As our President has successfully negotiated a deal to avoid a catastrophic default, Democrats are overwhelmingly pleased that the two leading Republican candidates for President are Trump and Desantis.

    Trump thinks a default is not a big deal!

    Reuters reports, "In a televised CNN town hall appearance, Trump said Congress should claw back money allocated in Biden's domestic spending legislation. "If they don't ... you'll have to default," causing "a bad week or a bad day."

    DeSantis says Republicans were wrong in avoiding a catastrophic default!

    The Hill reports, "Prior to this deal … our country was careening towards bankruptcy. And after this deal, our country will still be careening towards bankruptcy,” DeSantis said on “Fox & Friends.”

    DeSantis speaks only to friendly media. He avoids the respected news media, ABC, NBC, CBS, and the like.

    Trump and Desantis seem challenged by stark reality.
     
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    Very well said! Trump has fought a good fight but he has wasted a lot of capital on child like antics. Those of us who are practical appreciate most of his policies but although his antics don't particularly get under our skin, we know a lot of our friends won't tolerate it and we are going to need their votes. If Trump wins primary of course we will be forced to support him. Can't say the same for him and his child like temper tantrums supporting Ron DeSantis!
     
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    How did your predictions work in 2016? The left is scared to death of DeSantis as shown by your partisan post.
     
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    The day Comey reopened the investigation 10 days before the elections I predicted Trump would win. It was the only prediction I made. Besides this one, as far as I can recall, it's the only prediction I had ever made before this one regarding election results.
     
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    But grooming young children for easy prey and the destruction of "family"., is our worst problem. There is nothing Christian about woke. It attacks every single truth that Christ modeled.
     
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    Then perhaps you should tone down your predictions until 10 days before.
     
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    Those criticizing DeSantis either don't know his record, or you are drinking the NAACP kool aid and the alphabet queer kool aid.
     
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    Sorry to be the one to break your bubble this early (well.... not really...). But your guy is not going to win.
     
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    The only thing about his record anybody needs to know is that he abuses power to punish free speech. That should be enough to convince anybody who cares about the rights of the people to stay away. And if that doesn't concern you, the rest is irrelevant.

    His homophobia, misogyny, bigotry.... all those are things that help rally people who care about human rights and persuade them to take the time to come to the polls and make an effort to endure the long lines at the voting places that he has strived to create.... But it's all moot if not even freedom of speech is that relevant to you.
     
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    Or we just don't like him, hard for me to like someone thinks "wokeness" or fighting Disney are important causes.
     
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    So you are for teaching school age children about the deviant practices of homosexuality in spite of their parents wishes? And pornography in school libraries where half the kids can't read at their own level? gotcha!
    Love the three liberal catch words. You forgot to say......."because I have labeled you with these, your thoughts don't matter at all. It's the point isn't it?
     
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    Unless the polls tighten considerably, I doubt that Trump will debate him
     
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    finally, someone who can tell me what "woke" means that is so damn terrible. go ahead, yabber,

    right now my concerns begin with war, possibly eventually nuclear, in the ukraine and end with the neighborhood kids littering, but nowhere am i worried about "the woke" conspiracy to cheat trump out of his divine right to classified documents.
     
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    Your post shows you don't know DeSantis' record in Florida. Or you are very liberal and just against a conservative. Or you are a dem and against all repubs -- wait, I just repeated myself.

    They're important to a majority of people, including me, and that's why DeSantis is so popular. You can't argue against popular, and you can't argue against success.

    Once the campaigning starts in full, DeSantis will out-perform Trump in a big way, and DeSantis will not need a debate to show he is the better candidate. I believe there will be a big tightening of the polls. Keep watching.
     
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