The Case for Ron DeSantis.

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  1. JohnHamilton

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    I respect Ted Cruz for his superior intelligence. I guess if you don't agree with a politician, they are all "used car salesmen" except the man you support. You need to do better than that.
     
  2. Melb_muser

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    LOL. But not much else.
     
  3. Endeavor

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    I really don't care if it is Desantis, Pence, Scott or other 15 GOP running as long as it is not Trump. if anyone else nominated, Trump will do Democrat's dirty job and take him/her down, Trump will even tell his MAGA supporter "Joe Biden is better then Mr. Scott or MS Haily or any other Republican"
     
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  4. JohnHamilton

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    At least you acknowledge that.
     
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    I can't, and I don't see why that is a problem. Racial discrimination , anti-individualism, anti-personal-responsibiliy, anti-free-speech, are on both sides of the political aisle, and should be fought against on both sides of it.

    It really wouldn't take much to defeat this sort of rhetoric in a general election if the Democrat nominee was bold enough to acknowledge the actual problem of woke overreach and support slapping it down while supporting actual social justice. Obama did that fairly well.

    You can recognize the insanity of biological males beating up biological females in combat sports for example. Or you can recognize that race based hiring and compelled speech isn't liberal. Or you can agree that nobody should be pushing sex talk onto little kids (while at the same time defending a person's right to wear opposite gender clothes while reading a non-sex related story to them), etc. You can do so while supporting racial harmony, fighting racism, and supporting left wing programs.

    Failure to oppose the woke overreach problem, and doing the opposite, empowers DeSantis and may lose you the election.

    Seriously, a Democrat candidate should do a campaign stating Ibram X Kendi and White Fragility lady are racist, that racism means hating people based on race and not "privilege plus power", that biological males shouldn't beat up biological females just because they are trans, that support should be based on need and not race, etc, and then quickly pivot to pushing single payer universal health care, education, science, gun control, and other left wing issues.

    It would be a huge breath of fresh air and I think they would easily win. DeSantis loses most of his power if you don't play the role he so clearly wants to assign to his opponent.
     
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    No, I've seen ones who presnet much better on both sides of that political aisle. Both McCain and Romney presented much better than Ted Cruz. So did Jeb, Rubio and most of the others on the debate stage when Cruz ran for President.
     
  7. JohnHamilton

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    McCain and Romney might sound good, but they were jelly fish who ended up standing for nothing. I worked for Romney in 2012, and I was disappointed with his performance in the end. He won the first debate with Obama and then acted like he didn't want to be the candidate who defeated the first Black president.

    Trump was right about JEB. He acting like he was half asleep most of the time.

    Cruz has got a sharp tongue. I get it. So do a lot of other brilliant people I know. But his brain should would beat the fool with dementia we have now, and might end up with for four more years.
     
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    What Percentage of biological male beating up biological woman in sports? .5% or .75%?

    Do you know any location where drag queens dress up with opposite gender cloths reading story books to 4-7 years old kids without accompanied by their parents? The answer is ZERO Location. Drag story books reading are always consent by parents.

    Why would Joe Biden or Democrat address nonexistence issue?

    USA has only 1.3 million transgender which is less then .5% Americans. Outside MAGA crowed no one really care about these things.
     
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    Still not answering my question I see. Keep dodging.

    You have failed to explain how he plans to do this.
     
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    I do not know about Biden being better but they are all political hacks.
     
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    I am not sure why people say he is a better candidate than Trump. He has no charisma and he seems whiney. Trump has charisma but is a demigogue who only stands for himself. Trump is whatever his supporters want and need him to be; whereas, DeSantis has a vast amount of unpopular policy positions.
     
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    and what is wrong with political hack?
     
  13. Zorro

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    That's your excuse for the FBI/Intelligence Community/Lying Fake News Media/"Lying Fact Checkers" to conspire to bury Hunter's Laptop which details the Criminal Biden family to rig the election and install the most internationally Bibed head of a Crime Family in the history of the Republic?
    TL: DR. Seemed like a boring rant in search of attention as well as very similar to a lot of your other posts.

    Yawn.
     
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    I don't see Cruz as having a sharp tongue. I see him as slick like a used car salesman. Similar to Bill Clinton in that way if you want an example of somebody from the other side.
     
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    LOL!.....
     
  16. Jolly Penguin

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    Irrelevant. You arm DeSantis if you refuse to oppose it and seem to support it. We don't have many actual Nazis walking around today (despite what some on the "woke" left would have you believe), but if a candidate refused to oppose them and seemed to support them, they would be hurt by it. Same goes here.

    To defeat DeSantis you need to disarm him. Tell him his dystopian nightmare is indeed a nightmare, and would indeed be bad. Then show it's something you oppose and is rare. What you shouldn't do is let yourself be thought to support rather than oppose it.
     
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    You political strategy is oppose what doesn’t exist. Sure , DEMS will right get on that.
     
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    LOL all you want, I never met or know any politician who is not political hack. Complaining about politician being a “political hack” is like complaining “why sky is blue”
     
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    You must live in a communist country.
     
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    Since you didn't answer my questions, your hyper partisan comment, which contains assumptions, mischaracterizations, misstatements of facts, is dismissed.

    I don't provide comments for those with short attention spans. So please ignore my posts, they are not intended for those of your ilk.
     
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    lets see $2B over 4 years is $500M oer year over $1M per day for his job as "senior advisor to the president, and that is just the saudis and does not count diverting ppe to the red states and distributing the vaccine (at the time very rate) to gated communities or giving the tel aviv embassy to adelson.


    when trump called cruz' wife "ugly" might have been a good time to demonstrate that "sharp tongue."

    instead, cruz proved himself a coward, or in frog worshipping language "cruz is a cuck who would watch trump screw his wife..,
     
  22. Zorro

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    I did not intend to hurt your feelings, it was just a really long post that repeated a lot of things you have said previously.
     
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    Back to the topic: DeSantis Looks To Prove Trump Wrong, Make Iowa Competitive

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    'Trump maintains an imposing 22.4% lead over DeSantis in the current RealClearPolitics Average in Iowa.'

    'DeSantis responding to Trump’s recent claims that Florida had mishandled the COVID-19 pandemic. “Hell, his whole family moved to Florida under my governorship. Are you kidding me?”'

    'If elected, DeSantis promised a mass shakeup of federal staffing, favoring outsiders from areas other than the nation’s capital.'

    “We need people who live in the country to come out to D.C., to reaffirm the right of ‘we the people’ to run our own government,” DeSantis said in Des Moines on Tuesday. “We will impose our will on D.C.”

    “You don’t empower someone like Fauci,” he told audiences, “you bring him into the office and you tell him to pack his bags.”

    We'll see how well he connects with voters.
     
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    What do you think of Joe Biden?
     
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    He's borderline senile and not fit to be a leader of a country. Its pretty shocking how poor both US political parties do with their nominations. There are plenty of brilliant minds in the USA, but those best suited for the job don't want it, and I can see why. The system needs reform.
     
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