The Corona Virus versus Senility and Socialism

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  1. Surfer Joe

    Surfer Joe Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Lol...You people like to bandy about paranoid memes as if they actually mean something to rational people. Guess again.
    Your so-called deep state is just another paranoid delusion foisted on you by your orange demagogue to make himself look better.
    What there is is a legion of professional civil servants at the local, state and federal levels who love their country and have been working long before trump to serve our interests loyally.
    It would be dereliction of duty to see a complete ******* like trump trying to destroy your country out of spite, hate and stupidity and bend over willingly rather than resist.
    The idiot memes that trump has trotted out against the media and the civil service agencies are all self-serving lies.
     
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    modernpaladin Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    So you're saying theres no deep state... but you're glad theres hordes of civil servants undermining and sabotaging the President.

    So what would you like me to call it? Since 'deep state' is too conspiratorial for you...
     
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    rcfoolinca288 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    "deep state plants misadvise Trump"?? That is hilarious. Did they tell Trump to go on Twitter to say stupid things? He is incapable of his own thoughts, is that what you are saying?
     
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    modernpaladin Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Not likely. But I'm betting his position on the virus spread is 100% the result of what his advisors are telling him.

    That's what he thinks they're for (and what they're supposed to be for) anyway.
     
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    So Mike Pence is part of the deep state?? LOL....after all, Trump left him in charge. ;)
     
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    modernpaladin Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Im not a fan of that move either.

    Who do you think would've been a better choice?
     
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    rcfoolinca288 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Whatever happened to the US Surgeon General? Or the head of Health and Human Services Azar??
     
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    I think the problem is an army of bureaucrats who are supposed to serve our interests too often believe they are supposed to define them. Trump was elected to restore the order as to who actually has that responsibility.
     
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    They are both on Pence's task force. I would imagine (hope) that Pence is using the power of his office to ensure and expedite execution of their preparations.
     
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    Call them . . . SOS . . . subversive Obama supporters
     
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    Surfer Joe Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You got that ass backward. It's your boy trump who is undermining and sabotaging the country, so I'd call anyone who resists rogue authority a patriot.
    I'm sure you understand, given the right's hero worship of clive bundy and randy weaver.
     
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    oh I understand you all love the orange man bad deep state. what I don't understand is how yall intellectually justify loving it while claiming its a conspiracy theory and doesnt exist.
     
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    Ooooooh! If I thought there was even a chance of collecting I would take that bet
     
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    I suppose you have evidense to the contrary- that Trump is being advised that the coronavirus is an existential threat to the nation, and he's just shrugging it off?

    Please, do share.
     
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    Standard operating procedure for the political Left. They always insist that what the nation sees and hears happening right before their eyes is not what's really happening even as it is happening.
     
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    Ok, let me back up a post then....

    Globalization is driven by many many factors and one of the largest is to minimize the cost of labor. It is also part of a long term US policy strategy to minimize the risk of nuclear war - which unfortunately has been largely usurped by a wholly different policy which has been to increase military and all associated dispensation of our treasure, and even more so our debt, for the benefit of the MIC. Limited conventional war - courtesy of the right.

    Globalization is now mostly driven completely by business profit motives, with the stabilizing effect of balancing nation state wealth disparities just an added bonus.

    Aspects of US cold war strategies that are increasingly less well known, but in and of themselves constitute conspiracy facts. And yes, we have had continuity in our defense, state and intelligence sectors of government for decades across both parties that no President until Trump and his loyalists have come to view as opposition to the best interests of the US.

    There is then both a commercial component as well as a strategic deep state component to drive globalization. It is far more driven by the right than by the left. STEM college grad jobs are flying offshore quicker than one could raise a crop of soybeans that Trump's trade wars have had rotting in the fields.

    Let me back up another post,

    Enemy operatives? Mattis was an enemy operative? Tillerson was an enemy operative? Michael Cohen - enemy operative number one.... And Stormy, enemy infiltrator.... So many enemy operatives brought in by Trump himself and it's all the fault of the deep state federal bureaucracy?

    Trump is now almost certain to be re-elected given that Joe can't hardly even speak and the left is determined to prevent Bernie from the nomination, which would be a stretch for him to win as well.

    The deep state you speak of are not likely fans of Trump given his privileged condescending approach to, say for example his little post election stunt at the CIA.

    The deep state does what they're told and the fact that Trump is and remains President is proof of it.

    Comey's last minute, before the election, "Oh, wait, we've got a laptop we need to look at" is further proof that the deep state is on Trump's side. I guess Comey didn't get Strzok's memo. As if after that Comey was really going to investigate Trump's obviously compromised position with respect to Russia. Talk about hiding in plain sight. Trump got rid of Comey just because Comey is taller than him - how much you wanna bet?
     
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    I think we're experiencing a presumption of terminology differential...

    When I say globalism, I'm referring to the various strategies being employed to artificially or inorganically expedite globalization and manipulate it toward an agenda. Globalization is a natural and inevitable process where technological and sociological advancement breaks through or merges cultural boundaries and causes different groups to increasingly interact with eachother toward mutual benefit. Globalism is the artificial attempt to expedite this process by undermining and/or eliminating those boundaries (most notably: national boundaries). The result of globalism is a reorganization and realignment of these international relationships away from voluntary cooperation and toward authoritatively coerced participation. IMO (and historical trends suggest), if globalization is allowed to occur naturally, the world will eventually organize itself into one, faiap, cooperative body, as each cultural or national region finds its own reason to participate. This is of course in the extreme long-term, likely in a sort of 'three steps forward, two steps back' sorta deal. The main problem with this is that the trend of participation will align along voluntary lines, and will decrease the amount of authoritative control anyone can maintain over global systems. And when I say 'problem', I don't mean a problem for you or I, but rather a problem for certain political and financial entities who have an existential need to 'rule.' So it becomes necessary, from the control freak perspective, to artificially manipulate the process of globalization and guide it along a track that will engender a more centralized command and control dynamic that these particular elite sociopaths can use to maintain and increase their dominion over the common human.

    Which is to say: I don't disagree with you about any particular point regarding globalization, but I'm not just talking about globalization when I say globalism.

    The strategic deep state component you mention, I see as very much globalist- elite control freaks (and their unwitting servants) interested in subverting natural globalization to a centralized authoritarian bent.




    What part of my statement "Trump IS partially to blame, allowing himself to be surrounded by enemy operatives such as he has" led you to believe I was blaming the 'deep state federal bureacracy?' I thought I made it very clear that I believe Trump needs to find a new pool of help when I said he needs to find "fresh new faces with no establishment 'credentials' whatsoever". To clarify- the establishment is almost entirely made up of globalist control freaks, power hungry sociopaths, or 'yes men' who seek but pats on the head (and inflated wallets) from them. Its Trumps fault that he keeps picking folks from this pool of scum simply because they look good on paper.

    The deep state is not on Trump's side. But they do have to maintain a minimum of appearing to be technically subordinate or risk displaying the real game to the average American. They can get away with a lot with the corporate whore media covering for them, but they can't get away with all they would like to. Some appearances must be kept up or the entire game will be given away.
     
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    They don't need a sound political reason -- they will try anything. Besides coming up with sound reasoning requires intelligence and intellect both of which are in short supply with Democrats.
     
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