The Crisis Facing America

The crisis facing America isn't a theory, it's a fact.

 

I'd love to hear the rationale and key facts that have led you to that perspective. Can you articulate it?

 

Since when are deluded, baseless conspiracy theories facts?

 

The opening post:

>> https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2018/07/trump-putin/565310/
We still do not know what hold Vladimir Putin has on Donald Trump, but the whole world has now witnessed the power of its grip.

Russia helped Donald Trump into the presidency, as Robert Mueller’s indictment vividly details. Putin, in his own voice, has confirmed that he wanted Trump elected. Standing alongside his benefactor, Trump denounced the special counsel investigating Russian intervention in the U.S. election—and even repudiated his own intelligence appointees.

This is an unprecedented situation, but not an uncontemplated one. At the 1787 convention in Philadelphia, the authors of the Constitution worried a great deal about foreign potentates corrupting the American presidency.

When Gouverneur Morris famously changed his mind in favor of an impeachment clause, he explained his new point of view by invoking a situation very similar to the one now facing the United States:

Our Executive was not like a Magistrate having a life interest, much less like one having an hereditary interest in his office. He may be bribed by a greater interest to betray his trust; and no one would say that we ought to expose ourselves to the danger of seeing the first Magistrate in foreign pay without being able to guard [against] it by displacing him.

The United States was then a comparatively poor and vulnerable country, so the Founders imagined corruption taking the form of some princely emolument that would enable an ex-president to emigrate and—in the words of Charles Cotesworth Pinckney—“live in greater splendor in another country than his own.” Yet they understood that even the most developed countries were not immune to the suborning of their leaders. As Morris said, "One would think the King of England well secured [against] bribery … Yet Charles II was bribed by Louis XIV.”

The reasons for Trump’s striking behavior—whether he was bribed or blackmailed or something else—remain to be ascertained. That he has publicly refused to defend his country’s independent electoral process—and did so jointly with the foreign dictator who perverted that process—is video-recorded fact......<<<<



I don't see anything "deluded" here.

 

never, but that isn't what we are dealing with here.

 

Nice try to cover up for the Democratic Party, which also is the party of Jim Crow laws, enforced racial segregation and discrimination, and it was the Republican Party that passed the Civil RIghts Act and Voting Rights Act all AFTER WW1. In short, your message is false.

 

The problem with being deluded is that one is often unaware of the fact.

 

No, my message is not false.

"Abraham Lincoln was the first Republican president, and Republicans were the face of Reconstruction and voting rights for blacks after the Civil War. Because of this, the South became solidly Democratic and stayed that way until World WarII."


The south is now Republican, but they can claim no relationship whatsoever to the party of Lincoln because the south is where Jim Crow was instituted.

 

Apparently.

 

Why would you do that?

 

I've also no

Again, that is false. The Republicans of the South absolutely claim "relationship" to Abraham Lincoln.

 

I think they have a right to exist

 

Yes as do I, but at the expense of the native population?

 

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Trust me you would resist the theft of your land, your home, your business and the killing of your children by an occupying force just as the Palestinians do. I have a real problem with hypocrisy. Support for Israels crimes by the right wing is sheer utter disgusting hypocrisy.

 

Turn off Sean Hannity and try reading a book. Might I suggest The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine" by Israeli historian Ilaan Pappe

 

Only the willfully blind refuse to acknowledge the very obvious Dirty Donald love affair with all things Russian, including their dictator ruler.It is one that has been blatantly visible throughout the past 30 or more years of his life.

 

Who is claiming Germany is our greatest ally? I thought Britain filled that slot.

 

Since you think I'm lying, and therefore committing a federal crime, you should call the FBI. Here, let me help: https://www.fbi.gov/
https://www.fbi.gov/contact-us

 

What conspiracy theory? Trump was obviously fawning all over Putin. So much, in fact, I'm surprised Trump didn't cream his pants onstage.

 

Disagreed for several reasons.

Some examples:
1) It's not very realistic to expect the US to have to buy oil from Venezuala or the ME when it can be piped in cheaper from Canada. Same goes for shipping gas over the Atlantic versus a pipeline through Eastern Europe.

2) The "Military-Industrial Complex" is a LW meme with a few Anti-American nutjobs supporting it.

3) I fail to see how "racism and bigotry" enter into policies between predominantly caucasian nations. Is someone suggesting that the Russians are a different race? A subhuman race?

 

The arabs had their chance for a peaceful two state solution in 1948 but rejected it

 

I supported Israel long before sean hannity was on tv

 

Sorry, but in my experience, LWers are pretty spineless when it comes to going to war. Exhibit #1: Barack Obama.

Agreed that the Left is quick to sacrifice freedom, but the key point is what they will sacrifice our freedom for authoritarianism. It wasn't the Left who pushed the Patriot Act.

 

Give me your full name and rank, as well as your unit.

Why not try to think for yourself? These are just overused Pro-Israel talking points.

 

That's just stupid. Or the verbalization of some weirda$$ fantasy.