The End of the EV Mandate is at Hand

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  1. AFM

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    What damage did they suffer?
     
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    Media_Truth Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    BS - provide your damn link.
     
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    Media_Truth Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    A jury found him guilty. If you don’t think outrageous, extremely hurtful LIEs like this should be tried, perhaps you are living in the wrong country.

    Jury awards nearly $1 billion to Sandy Hook families in Alex Jones case

    A Connecticut jury awarded nearly $1 billion in compensatory damages to Sandy Hook families in the defamation case brought against Alex Jones over his lies about the 2012 elementary school massacre.
     
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    That is a civil case and in my opinion a trampling of the first amendment. Jones’s opinion is based on what he believed was a possibility. He has (as does everyone) the right to freely express it unless it results in a criminal conviction for libel, slander, or conspiracy.

    You have a right to claim that the enhanced CO2 effect hypothesis is correct to explain global warming. Others have a right to claim that the winter gatekeeper hypothesis is correct. You could sue those others snd most certainly lose a criminal case but who knows what a jury in a civil case would do.
     
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    So you have nothing.



    Fox’s decision to settle is incomprehensible—and may hurt the First Amendment. Dominion did not lose three-quarters of a billion dollars from Fox’s alleged defamation. It’s unlikely they actually lost very much at all; indeed, they probably gained considerable credibility and additional business.

    This was especially so since the judge made findings favorable to Dominion’s professionalism. Had the case gone to verdict, and had Fox lost, the network probably would have been required to pay a relatively small amount of damages—certainly nothing approaching the amount for which they settled.

    Moreover, there was a substantial chance that Fox could have won this suit, either at trial or on appeal. Dominion had a heavy burden to demonstrate that Fox was guilty of actual malice; that is, a reckless disregard for the truth. The trial judge denied—in my view erroneously—Fox its constitutional right under the Seventh Amendment to challenge Dominion’s narrative. He essentially found as a matter of fact that Fox had lied—an issue that should have been left to the jury. Even so, Dominion may not have been able to meet the high standard required to prove actual malice. Finally, two justices of the Supreme Court have raised questions about the actual malice standard—and this case might very well have made its way to the high court. Once before the justices, virtually any outcome would have been possible.

    “Accordingly, from a purely rational cost-benefit analysis, this settlement—which gave Dominion an enormous windfall—is incomprehensible. No good lawyer, evaluating the trial and appellate prospects and the lack of actual damages, would have recommended such a settlement.

    Something else must have been at play—and part of the reason for the settlement is almost certainly to prevent the public from learning the actual reason why Fox settled. Some infer that, despite the fact that much of its dirty laundry had already been spread out for all to see in the early discovery phase of the case, there was even dirtier laundry that might have been uncovered had the case gone forward and had the special master been allowed to rummage through more emails and other communications. We may never know the real reasons why Fox threw in the towel.”

    — War on Woke: Why the New McCarthyism Is More Dangerous Than the Old by Alan Dershowitz
    https://a.co/ihtChxA
     
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    Still, you only mentioned 3, all dems.
    When as you said, basically every member. R and D alike.
    And that isn't going to change any time soon.

    In fact, I suspect it will be make easier for elected officials to accumulate more wealth.
     
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    Not according to the lawsuit that had them admit to lying and pay $787M in libel fees.
     
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    Odd, you support liars being able to profit off of lying.

    Like calling Sandy Hook massacre a lie. Like Jones did. And made millions lying about that and hurting further the families who lost children in the shooting.
     
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    Fox News was not criminally convicted of felony libel.
     
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    So the fact that I only mentioned dems triggered you?
    Form your own list.
    I'm not responsible for your happiness you know.

    But here, a place for you to start your own list.
    The Unusual Whales Congress Trading Report for 2023
     
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    I would not say he really profited specifically from lying.

    I doubt this mistruth significantly increased the amount of money he got in any direct or obvious way.

    If anything, in the long-term it probably hurt the brand image, and further hurt the credibility of InfoWars.

    But you are going off topic. Alex Jones is not the topic of this thread.
     
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    Good luck all. I’m moving to Reddit. Too many shills on here.
     
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    One fewer now.
     
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    He is gracious until the end.
     
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    The phrase “addition by subtraction” comes to mind.
     
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    Or perhaps “less is more”.
     
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    Buh bye
     
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    Which I never said they were.
    They paid $787M and admitted publicly they lied about 2020 stolen election in regard to Dominion voting machines.
     
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    I think you're the one who go triggered when it was pointed out you only mentioned 3 names all dems.

    I only showed your bias.
     
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    LOL. You brought up Alex Jones.
    I only asked you about supporting one who was found libel for lying about Sandy Hook.
    Which you're still defending that profiteer of families who lost children in that shooting.
     
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    You said they paid libel fees. Libel is a felony. They were not convicted of a felony. This was a civil case in which Dominion would have had to prove damages. Fox News had people on whose evidence based opinion was that Dominion should be investigated due to suspicious activity. Opinions are not lies - opinions are protected by the first amendment. I posted Alan Dershowitz's opinion that Fox should not have settled because they did nothing wrong and Dominion if they had won the civil case would have to show damages. In Dershowitz's opinion which I share Dominion actually gained favorable support and suffered zero damages. It was disappointing therefore that Fox settled because this would have been a very clear case of first amendment rights and if they had lost they could have appealed. This might have gone to the Supreme Court because of the Constitutionality of the case.
     
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    Alex Jones was not criminally convicted of felony libel. This was a civil case. The judge awarded damages to the families. As reprehensible as Mr. Jones's comments were he has a first amendment right to express his opinion.
     
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    Wait.
    Was your bothering to notice that I only listed dems a triggering event for you?
    OR
    Was your pointing out my "bias" a triggering event for me?

    *checks his emotion meter
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    checks @dairyair emotion meter
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    Seriously.
    Quiet corner.
    Juice box.
    Cookie.
    Blanket.
    Helmet.
     
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