The Era of rivalry, Biden vs. Trump and their respective parties

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  1. Jack Hays

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    Yes. So what?
     
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    He deserves a certain amount of respect whether he's earned it or not.
     
  3. Jack Hays

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    He's getting the respect he deserves.
     
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    I had a lot of respect for the policies he pursued like energy independence.
     
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    He denigrated veterans, attacked NATO and initiated the cowardly abandonment of Afghanistan.
     
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    Some people agreed with him about Veterans. Like my dad, a combat veteran of the Korean War. And American presidents have been complaining about our NATO allies not shouldering a fair share of the load for literally decades.

    Biden was the one who made all the final choices about abandoning Afghanistan.
     
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    A twenty year war?

    Not time to bring them home after Diaper Don took US forces from 15,000 (in final 6 months) to 2,500 when Biden was inaugurated? But it was Bidens fault 13 of the almost 2,500 US troops who gave their all?
     
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    1. Did your father agree that veterans are losers and suckers?
    Trump Faces Fallout From Report He Calls Military 'Losers ...
    https://www.npr.org › 2020/09/04 › trump-faces-fallout-f...


    Sep 4, 2020 — President Trump is vehemently defending himself against allegations that he has privately disparaged veterans for their military service ...

    2. Trump attacked Article 5 of the NATO treaty, without which there is no NATO.

    3. Biden executed the Afghanistan plan created by Trump. They share the dishonor.
     
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    How can we have energy independence when the GOP in Dec 2015, got rid of the US oil export ban that was around for 50 years, which then made the oil A WORLD WIDE COMMODITY??

    The U.S. might be “energy independent,” but it still can’t control production.

    This means that although America may be “energy independent” on paper, American consumers have won no benefits from this independence, and American officials cannot assert this independence in any meaningful way. Market dynamics, not overzealous regulations, have imprisoned the industry.

    That hasn’t stopped lobbyists from pretending otherwise.
    https://www.theatlantic.com/science...l-gas-price-surge-energy-independence/626979/

    The top reason domestic energy production hasn’t ramped up isn’t Joe Biden’s green energy agenda, according to oil company executives. Instead, it’s a lack of enthusiasm from investors.
    https://news.yahoo.com/oil-gas-executives-not-joe-204337317.html

    But when asked at a congressional hearing this month about the impact of Biden’s leasing pause, Colette Hirstius, senior vice president of oil giant Shell, said, “I do not think that not having lease sales has raised the costs to consumers.”


    “Investors dumped huge funds into shale drilling only to discover that when oil prices dropped, very little value existed at the end of the day,” one executive said. “Investors have demanded restraint and capital discipline of their client companies.”

    Wall Street investors are pressuring U.S. drillers to limit production amid record prices.


    More than half — 59% — of the 139 executives surveyed by the Dallas Fed listed investor pressure as the primary reason producers are keeping production down.

    https://www.huffpost.com/entry/gas-prices-domestic-production_n_623b7ad7e4b0f1e82c529c6a


    Special Report: Trump told Saudi: Cut oil supply or lose U.S. military support - sources

    As the United States pressed Saudi Arabia to end its oil price war with Russia, President Donald Trump gave Saudi leaders an ultimatum.

    THEY ENDED UP CUTTING NEARLY 10 MILLION BARRELS A DAY TO PROP UP PRICES, BECAUSE DIAPER DON WAS RUNNING FOR RELECTION AND HIS OIL BUDDIES WEREN'T GOING TO FUND HIM!!

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...se-u-s-military-support-sources-idUSKBN22C1V4
     
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    No one referring to President Trump in such insulting terms deserves to be taken seriously.
     
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    Weird I thought it was his POLICIES you loved? LOL

    Hint he didn't get any major policies through other than the opposite of what he campaigned on, you know raising taxes on them, when he said his rich friends would be upset he was going to increase their taxes!

    Only Ronnie "I did not trade arms for hostages. My heart and my best intentions tell me that's true, but the facts and evidence tell me it is not.” Reagan

    and

    Dubya "Mission Accomplished" Bush had larger tax cuts for the richest


     
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    The rich pay the most in taxes.. What's wrong with cutting their taxes?
     
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    You meant the "job creators" pay a high percentage of federal income taxes which are just 25% of all Gov't revenues?

    While gutting taxes on the "job creators", US debt has ballooned (that and the aforementioned administrations increased US spending as the gutted the revenues the highest percentage of all administrations the past 50+ years)

    Finally, for those in the top 0.01 percent of the income distribution, the effective tax rate was 71.4 percent in 1960, 74.6 percent in 1970, 59.3 percent in 1980, 35.4 percent in 1990, 40.8 percent in 2000 and 34.7 percent in 2004.

    New OMB-CEA Report: Billionaires Pay an Average Federal Individual Income Tax Rate of Just 8.2%
    https://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/brie...deral-individual-income-tax-rate-of-just-8-2/

    For the first time in history, U.S. billionaires paid a lower tax rate than the working class last year


    It finds that in 2018, the average effective tax rate paid by the richest 400 families in the country was 23 percent, a full percentage point lower than the 24.2 percent rate paid by the bottom half of American households.
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/busi...-lower-tax-rate-than-working-class-last-year/
     
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    Sandy Shanks said:
    The seized documents were part of an inquiry into violation of the Espionage Act and two other laws.

    This is what happens when one doesn't follow the law. Particularly after he became President, Donald Trump felt rules and the law applied to others, not him.

    The Times reports, "A list of documents removed from former President Donald J. Trump’s Florida residence, Mar-a-Lago, includes materials marked as top secret and meant to be viewed only in secure government facilities.

    CBS reports, "A New York State judge ruled Friday that a criminal fraud and tax evasion prosecution against the Trump Organization and its former CFO, Allen Weisselberg, can proceed.

    "Weisselberg and the company asked a judge in February to dismiss all 15 counts charged against them. Judge Juan Merchan dismissed one of several tax fraud counts against the Trump Organization, but allowed all others to remain.

    "The Trump Organization and Weisselberg accused prosecutors working for Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg of targeting them "based on political animus" toward former President Donald Trump."

    That sounds familiar. No doubt Trump's education challenged followers think Trump is as innocent as a lamb.

    Two days ago former President Donald Trump invoked his Fifth Amendment more than 440 times.

    “If you’re innocent, why are you taking the Fifth Amendment?” Trump during a 2016 rally in Iowa.
     
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    As typical of @Sandy Shanks, every possible allegation about former president Donald Trump must be viewed in the worst possible light. ..
     
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    Some good news for Americans for a change as Trump's difficulties with the law are dominating the airwaves.

    NBC reports, "The House passed a far-reaching Democratic bill Friday to combat climate change, extend health care coverage and raise taxes on corporations, voting along party lines to send the legislation to President Joe Biden for his signature.

    "Passage of the Inflation Reduction Act represents a major victory for Democrats ahead of the November midterm elections.

    "The legislation — which passed the Senate on Sunday in a 51-50 vote, with Vice President Kamala Harris breaking the tie — now goes to Biden, who said in a tweet that he plans to sign it into law next week.

    "The House vote was 220-207, breaking evenly along party lines as Democrats unified to support the bill while Republicans unanimously voted against it."
     
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    Bummer
     
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    Trump was a powerful man. As such, Trump says whatever he wants to say, and the truth doesn't matter to him.

    The Times reports, "At least one lawyer for former President Donald J. Trump signed a written statement in June asserting that all material marked as classified and held in boxes in a storage area at Mr. Trump’s Mar-a-Lago residence and club had been returned to the government."

    Insider reports, "The FBI recovered 11 sets of classified records from Trump's Mar-a-Lago residence in Florida, some of which were marked top secret and meant to be stored in special government facilities because of their sensitive nature, according to the inventory of seized items."

    Of course, we know the lawyer's statement was false. So, why did Trump say it? Because, under the circumstances, in his mind, the fantasy would clear him of wrongdoing.

    So, he said it. The fact that it was pure fantasy didn't bother Trump one bit.

    Trump has another fantasy designed to protect him from legal complications. He says now that he had a standing order that documents removed from the Oval Office and taken to the residence were deemed to be declassified the moment he removed them."

    Actually, that fantasy is rather humorous. Trump really is a dunderhead. Of course, his loyal followers will believe him. They always do.

    The procedure by the President to declassify documents is a bit more complicated than that. Rep. Jim Hines explains.

    "Of course, he's going to say that because it creates a little bit of confusion and throws a bit of mud into the water. But I can tell you as someone who also sees the most sensitive information this country has, that's utter baloney," Hines said.

    Himes told MSNBC that while the President is a declassifying authority, there is a "really elaborate documented process for declassification," which can often take months.

    The Times elaborates, "Apart from the fact there is no evidence that such an order actually existed, the notion has been greeted with disdain by national security legal specialists. Glenn S. Gerstell, the top lawyer for the National Security Agency from 2015 to 2020, pronounced the idea that whatever Mr. Trump happened to take upstairs each evening automatically became declassified — without logging what it was and notifying the agencies that used that information — “preposterous.”

    This astonishing jump in falsehoods is the story of Trump’s tumultuous reign. By the end of his term, Trump had accumulated 30,573 untruths during his presidency — averaging about 21 erroneous claims a day. https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...isleading-claims-total-30573-over-four-years/

    Trump's devoted followers aside, is there any reason in the world why Americans should believe anything Trump says? Proof of his willingness to create fantasies was presented here.
     
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    This is typical of Trump, and he did it quite often as President. He thinks he is being clever when he attempts to have it both ways.

    In the end, though, he looks like a fool because he immediately contradicts what he just said.

    First, a pathetic attempt at a mea culpa for stealing Top Secret documents when he left the White House.

    The Hill
    reports, "Former President Trump on Monday said his aides have reached out to the Department of Justice (DOJ) to offer “whatever we can do to help,” saying the “temperature has to be brought down” after a spike in threats against law enforcement following the FBI’s search of his Mar-a-Lago estate.

    “Whatever we can do to help — because the temperature has to be brought down in the country,” Trump told Fox News. “If it isn’t, terrible things are going to happen.”

    However, he then repeated attacks on the FBI over the search for classified documents that took place at his Florida estate last week and defended his supporters’ threats.

    “People are so angry at what is taking place. They are not going to stand for another scam,” describing the FBI’s past investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 election as a “witch hunt.”

    The [Republican] Senate Intelligence Committee on Tuesday reaffirmed its support for the U.S. intelligence community’s conclusion that the Russian government interfered in the 2016 presidential election with the goal of putting Donald Trump in the Oval Office. https://www.politico.com/news/2020/...rms-russia-aimed-to-help-trump-in-2016-198171

    Yeah, he looks like an idiot.
     
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    Matt Egan, CNN Business, writes. "The American economy didn’t get the memo that it’s supposed to already be in a recession.

    "The brutal GDP report released on July 28, showing the economy had contracted for a second quarter in a row [by less than one percent in both quarters], led some to insist the much-feared recession had already arrived.

    "And in some ways that makes sense: Since 1948, every period of back-to-back quarters of negative growth coincided with a recession."

    Really? I have never accepted that concept. Employment, job growth, and consumer spending are far more important indicators of the economy's health.

    Egan continued, "But the recession-is-already-here argument has been severely undermined since that GDP report came out. A series of events in the past 10 days suggest those recession calls are, at a minimum, premature.

    "Yes, the economy is cooling off after last year’s gangbusters growth. But no, it does not appear to be suffering the kind of downfall that would qualify as a recession.

    "Consider the following developments:


    • The economy added more than half a million jobs in July alone.
    • The unemployment rate dropped to 3.5%, tied for the lowest level since 1969.
    • Inflation chilled out (relatively speaking) in July for both the consumers and producers.
    • Gas prices tumbled below $4 a gallon for the first time since March.
    • Consumer sentiment has bounced off record lows.
    • The stock market notched its longest weekly winning streak since November.
    Despite what Republicans are saying -- they are forced to be pessimists -- the economy is doing just fine.
     
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    Except we're in a recession. As a recession has been defined since the 1930s.
     
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    Nowhere. They just spend it into existence. This results in a devaluation of the dollar so you could say it comes from you and me.
     
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    Is Trump really that stupid?

    In a post around 1:30 p.m. ET Monday on Truth Social, the former President's social media platform, Trump claimed the FBI "stole" three passports.

    Removal of a passport by law enforcement is serious business, indicating possible guilt and flight from justice.

    Trump admits publicly the FBI removed his passport. (Two had expired.)

    Fortunately for Trump, it isn't all that bad for him, but he didn't know that at the time.

    CBS reports, "Passports belonging to former President Donald Trump that were taken by the FBI during the search conducted at his South Florida residence last week have been returned to the former president, a law enforcement source confirmed to CBS News.

    "The source said the passports were given back to Trump after they were discovered by a "filter team," a group of federal investigators who screen the materials seized during the execution of a search warrant for privileged or extraneous information.

    "The FBI said in a statement that when executing search warrants, the bureau "follows search and seizure procedures ordered by courts, then returns items that we do not need to be retained for law enforcement purposes."

    Is Trump losing it?
     
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    What do you mean?
     

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