The fail of the "good guy with a gun" theory.

how many innocent victims were massacred in this brutal mass shooting?

and how many mass shootings have ever taken place at an nra meeting?
also if an accident happened with an armed teacher or guard at a school you're not going to end up with 10 or more people dead

 

There is a reason that law enforcement always asks, insists, and demands that civilians - true patriot Rambo wannabes or otherwise - get the f*** out of the way and let them do their job. For every "white hat" saviour accomplishing a good deed there are dozens and dozens of accidental shootings and mistaken shootings (not necessarily in the midst of an "incident").

 

There are some 760 accidental deaths per year via firearm, yet there are hundreds of thousands of self-defensive uses.

Math much?

 

so the idea is that if only nobody was armed, this would have somehow ended up differently?

Sorry, but if you have a gun, that puts you on equal terms with somebody else with a gun.

and then there's the second amendment problem you have to deal with. Sorry, but people have a right to own a gun. It's right there in the constitution,

Seriously, you guys that don't like guns just need to (*)(*)(*)(*). You're not worthy of debate.

 

Here's a hypothetical for you: Couldn't the bad guys pretend to be police? The same logic would apply in that situation too. Just because the one carrying a gun is wearing a police uniform does not necessarily mean that they are the good guy.

There was a particular scene from the James Bond movie "Skyfall" where the terroristic Silva put on a police uniform before entering into the secured area of M's public inquiry in an attempt to assassinate her. Shots were being fired and the police officers who were scattered around all pulled out their guns, but in the confusion Silva was able to take out several of the officers before they had time to realize which one was the criminal shooter.

 

When Obama gives up his armed guards, every other citizen can give up their guns. I'm guessing he'll NEVER give up his guards for the rest of his life. Who's taking bets?

 

Not true. Look forward to a link from an UNBIASED source. Will be interesting to see the stats - not anecdotes from right wing sites - on "white hat" saviours.

 

Please, someone ref. when an armed citizen's involvement
worsened a situation.

How about when it aided a situation.

 

Sooooooo there are a little less than 800 accidental deaths, and hundreds of thousands of self-defense shootings... and there are more accidental shootings than self-defensive uses?

 

Still waiting for that link from an UNBIASED and SCIENTIFIC source. No need to hurry. Hundreds of thousands ? Should be pretty easy to come up with some CREDIBLE PROOF or EVIDENCE from a mainstream, respected non-ideological source. (And no, YOU don't count.)

 

I am pretty sure the DoJ does count if you feel like reading a two hundred page paper.

Tow hundred is a number, and math is involved in numbers.

 

The Institute of Medicine and the National Research Council released the results of their research through the CDC last month. Researchers compiled data from previous studies in order to guide future research on gun violence, noting that “almost all national survey estimates indicate that defensive gun uses by victims are at least as common as offensive uses by criminals, with estimates of annual uses ranging from about 500,000 to more than 3 million per year.”
http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/cdc-study-use-firearms-self-defense-important-crime-deterrent

 

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Feel free to be a victim if you'd like. I'll take my chances in the OK Corral.

 

MOD EDIT - Rule 3 The vast majority of law enforcement personnel support conceal carry for civilians.

http://www.policeone.com/Gun-Legisl...ops-support-simple-straightforward-solutions/

 

ahuh. I assume then that you haven't heard of the Gun Free School Zones Act of 1990, which is a federal law. Federal law supersedes state law - I can provide a link for that, too, if you'd like.

 

The sheer hypocrisy of this issue is laughable. The NRA, now advocating everyone carry guns, still scheduling their conventions in places where the firearms are prohibited. They did have a ban on guns in their main office buildings UNTIL this started getting attention a few years ago, so I guess it can be chalked up to the continuing change in their own policies influenced by gun manufacturers money.

Incidentally, all your fact altering cannot remove videos of what your gun god said back in 1999. If Wayne LaPierre can simply change his view based on his income, then why not the organizations policies, so they can pretend they were never for any form of gun regulations?

[video=youtube;M-oqfPojhec]https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=2&v=M-oqfPojhec[/video]

"More than 70,000 people are expected to flock down to Nashville for the National Rifle Association convention this weekend, but they won't be allowed to pack live weapons. All guns at the convention will have to be non-operational—that is, with their firing pins/strikers removed—and weapons purchased at the convention will have to be picked up later, with an ID, at a gun dealer near the buyer's home."

But old Wayne LaPierre is not the only hypocrite to hear from, most "gun shows" do not allow loaded, operational weapons in the vicinity, and here is a standard example.



I guess you didn't read the OP I made, because it clearly showed there WAS a gun owner WITH his gun on campus at the time of the shooting, and he explained why he was not able to do anything. This really has nothing to do with it being a "gun free Zone", it has to do with denial of the simple fact you cannot protect anyone from a bad guy with a gun, no matter how many people you arm or how many guns are available. Bullets cannot counter other bullets. This is not a cartoon. This is real life.

 

And thinks he'll just always do the right thing in every situation because he is so special he doesn't need any training....THAT is the worst person to have a gun.

 

Great post! Thank you for being honest.....and I'm sure your family and loved ones appreciate your thoughtfulness in not dying trying to be a hero.

There is something very wrong with people who want so desperately to be in a shoot out.

 

Are you aware of the training required to have a concealed carry? I mean if your concern is people untrained carrying, then just issue a rule that to open/concealed carry within 1000ft of schools a person has to have a CCW.

 

I think the saying goes something like, "all that is necessary for evil to succeed is for good men to do nothing." In such a situation I would take action, not because I want to be a cowboy or any other puerile strawman, it's simply because I care about other people, and if I had a real chance to stop something from happening but didn't then I'd have a shadow of guilt over me.

But I didn't enlist to protect myself. Sometimes circumstances call for good men to make sacrifices. I'd like to hear anyone here try and tell me that the Americans who stopped the train attack in France - the men publicly thanked by the French government - should be ashamed.

 

Can you name one, just one, head of state who does NOT have bodyguards? Your statement is irrelevant.

 

There's no shame in any of that. I'm just saying that the gun-ban crowd likes to ridicule those of us that carry as being some sort of hero-wannabe's, when it's just not true. Sure, I'd take the shot if I could do it without sacrificing my own safety, or the safety of others... but I don't carry to protect anyone but myself and my family.

 

Here's some more honesty: I know a LOT of people who carry, and I meet new ones every week, but I've never once met one like you describe. Never, once.

 

Oh fer...

What if the other "good guy" or even Cop is there from the beginning and happened to be looking somewhere else when the shooting starts, what does he see? That's right TWO shooters, you and the nut, and either one a likely target.

Also, do you really think you'll be listening for sirens, or that they can be heard in a rooftop restaurant, or a basement cafeteria?

More childish bull(*)(*)(*)(*), based on NCIS rather than logic and reality. Remember, Gibbs KNOWS who the real shooter is, Abby told him way back before the 2nd commercial, remember?

 

Well, you're lucky you never did meet all of them in this forum...there are quite a few....maybe you ignored their posts.....