The Great Missed Opportunity of Nuclear Power

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  1. drluggit

    drluggit Well-Known Member

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    I think we should, at some point, take into account the challenge to the huge financial streams that nuclear energy thrashes up against. And not lose sight of this aspect. There are Trillions perhaps even more amounts of revenue streams that are reliant on the continued use of non nuclear power. I would also include the "Green" verticals here as well. It seems that when you threaten these revenue streams, the knives come out. Literally..
     
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    Jack Hays Well-Known Member Donor

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    Reality will ultimately be the teacher.
     
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    there seem to be a few problems with corrosive materials, but nothing that better materials cant solve, as far as i am concerned this is the future, just by eliminating the need for high pressure containment vessels, and the solid nature of old tech reactors also gone
     
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    Plus Thorium has a shorter half life so THAT is less of a problem
     
  6. AFM

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    There is no "free market" for nuclear. The environmentalists and their progressive useful idiots in the legislative and judicial branches have regulated the safest and cleanest source of electrical power out of the market. The irony is that any government subsidies would only pay for government imposed and unnecessary costs.

    Global warming alarmists and other "friends of the earth" groups do not want more clean energy. They want less overall energy and fewer people.
     
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    AFM Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    There are no real fossil fuel subsidies. There is expensing equipment purchases instead of depreciating them and depletion allowances which help small producers. The big fossil fuel companies do not benefit in the long run from these two.
     
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    AFM Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Very few would buy solar panels without government tax credits and subsidies and of course the ability to sell excess solar power back to the grid at wholesale rates instead of retail. The same applies to electric cars.
     
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    So you're demonstrating is that you don't understand an equilibrium system, or statistics in general.

    Please tell us more about your former LEO turned atmospheric physicist. That sounds like a fascinating story. A LEO, a group not known for their scientific inclination, suddenly decided to quit and spend 10 years getting postdoc credentials ... That would be remarkable. Can you give us his real name, his university, his story? Can you show us his published work? It is curious. He doesn't believe backradiation exists, but here you are calculating the effects of it. If you disagree with him on something that fundamental, you probably shouldn't be using him as a source.

    Oh wait. He's just a babbling crank who _says_ he's an atmospheric physicist. And for purely political reasons, you pretend to believe him.

    Now, your other basic inconsistency ... if you say global warming doesn't exist, then why are you pushing nuclear power as a solution to it?

    Look at how consistent we are. We always point to the astronomical costs of nuclear power as being what disqualifies it as the main solution. Try to be like us, consistent.

    Anyways, your paper is pointless, because even if it's right, it's still just a "what-could-have-been" analysis. What-could-have-been isn't what _is_, so it has no relevance to the current situation. If you want to be relevant, discuss how to make nuclear power cheap _now_, without compromising safety. And be specific -- no vague "remove government regulation" handwaving.
     
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    The latest warming trend, tenth of the past warming and cooling trends of the Holocene, started in the mid 1600’s.

    Nuclear power is expensive because of all the needless regulations and impact studies that the greens have put in place to make licensing very expensive and time consuming. Nuclear is the safest energy option and produces no CO2 emissions when operational. But the Malthusian greens don’t want inexpensive electrical power. What they really want is fewer people. The ironic thing is inexpensive power results in maximizing economic growth and maximizing the rate of increase of the global standard of living which results in reduced birth rates.
     
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    Heck no. Where do you come up with this stuff? The fast warming didn't start until the 1970s. Prior to that, earth had been slowly cooling.

    I just said to _not_ vaguely wave your hands around about the evils of regulation, at least not if you want to be taken seriously.

    Understood, your conspiratorial political beliefs are what drives you. Try to undestand that we're not like you. We go by hard facts instead of conspiracy theories.

    Since nuclear power is so fantastically expensive, that would mean those who push nuclear power must hate humanity.
     
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    The warming in thr 30’s and 40’s was just as fast. Half of the previous 9 cycles warmed mre quickly and reached a higher temperature than today.

    Why does it take decades to get a permit to build a nuclear plant in the US?

    I also go with hard facts. The dependence of global warming on human CO2 emissions has never been scientifically proven. That’s a fact.
     
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    Given the amounts of money for nuclear power is a drop in the bucket compared to the amounts being proposed for net zero carbon contraptions.
     
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    Ha ha ha, all you offer is insults and a barrage of pointless babbling which means your post is empty.

    No counterpoint offered thus you have nothing.

    He RETIRED years ago went to University got a PHD in the process he is in his 70's.

    You don't know what a LEO is huh....... HAW HAW HAW HAW HAW......

    His Computer skills is very evident as he greatly improved three Themes for my forum I run, just added some new embedding codes in the software this afternoon he ran a computer division for 5 years thus an expert.

    Cheers
     
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    I didn't ask for you to insult and evade. I asked you for specific information. What is his name, what university did he earn his doctorate at? Where can we find his published work? For actual climate scientists, no one will have trouble finding such informations. Why is your guy hiding behind a pseudonym, and not publishing anything?

    Tell us more. Which university allows a retired law enforcement officer with no science background at all, not even a B.S., to enroll in a physics Ph.D program?

    After all, a Ph.D program isn 't like a community college. Everyone doesn't automatically get accepted. Standards are high. There's an application and review process. Only the best are accepted. And there's no atmospheric physics doctoral program in the world that would accept someone in their 60's who had no scientific background at all.

    He's just a lying crank. Nobody takes him seriously, except other cranks. Yet you quote him as an authority, and then expect to be taken seriously.
     
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    Meanwhile, reality. Two new reactors in Georgia are over seven years behind schedule and 3 times over cost. We're talking around 20 billion dollars of cost overruns.

    https://www.sunherald.com/news/business/article272531789.html

    It wasn't "regulation" that did that. It was the incompetence of the nuclear industry. They literally don't know how to build large power plants any more. That's the current reality, so pointing to a thinktank propaganda piece that says "Well, it couldhavebeen cheap" is pointless. It's not cheap now, it's insanely expensive, and wishful thinking won't change that.
     
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    Those small issues don’t account for all the “green” delays.
     
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    What is hilarious is the global alarmist adoration and believe in what Al Gore and Leonardo De’ Caprio spew.
     
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    :roflol:

    You didn't post a single scrap of evidence to support your claims against him while I posted his twitter link showing his background.

    You don't have to believe it but you can't claim he is a crank as you have no evidence for it.

    Meanwhile when are you going to support YOUR claim of having a Physics degree?

    No one here seems to see such high learning coming from you in your postings, maybe you try hard to hide it which I admit you do that very well.

    Cheers.
     
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    MIT NEWS

    Study identifies reasons for soaring nuclear plant cost overruns in the U.S.

    Analysis points to ways engineering strategies could be reimagined to minimize delays and other unanticipated expenses.

    LINK
     
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    Yes. Small nuclear reactors have been reliably powering US aircraft carriers with multi thousand crews for decades.
     
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    The Great Missed Opportunity Avoidance of Nuclear Power

    ~ This is further proof of the USA's Great Climate Scam . If there was actually a threat of fossil fuels causing harm to humans nuclear power would have been on the table many years ago and in use today.
    Anyone who is paying attention knows that the entire hypothesis that Co2 is a dangerous “pollutant” responsible for a rise in global temperature and certain catastrophe unless fossil fuels are curtailed is false. Climate has always been changing — and will continue to do so. Human activity has nothing to do with it. Governments depend on gradually dumbing-down and misleading society in order to pass their agenda — which is always less power/freedom for citizens and more authority and control by totalitarian government policies.
    USA leads the way in this endeavor.
    There are two types of people : the ignorant and the informed. Who we choose to be is a matter of our own free will.
    ~ So is Al Gore, John Kerry , numerous U.S. politicians and paid-to-play government scientists.
     
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    the technology is getting better and better for Nuclear Power, we don't have to be an early adopter, but we will move there I think

    once it's so safe that the rich will allow it to be built in their neighborhoods, that is when it will gain speed
     
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    Yes, you're absolutely right. If someone using a psuedonym claims to have credentials on twitter, then it has to be true.

    The incredible thing is how that's literally the argument you're using.

    I do that with my arguments. It's why you always have to run from debate, using personal attacks to cover your retreat.

    So, got anything besides "This crazy anonymous guy who pretends to have a Ph.D says I'm right!"?
     
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