The "Great Unraveling" continues.

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  1. Izzy

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    Habbahabba needs to inform Trump that he respects the law and judges.
    So sad, the law and judges are not being fair to him.

    Where's Joey Taco?


    'Trump Lawyer Tells CNN’s Kaitlan Collins No Trump Will Not ‘Lay Off Attacks On This Judge’ After Order'

    'On Wednesday morning’s edition of CNN This Morning, Collins interviewed Habba on a number of topics, including the trial and Trump’s attacks on Merchan.

    Habba said Trump will “abide by” the judge’s order but will continue to speak out against the judge “to the extent he can within the court’s order”:

    KAITLAN COLLINS: Obviously, that trial date falling and March 25th is right in the middle of the campaign season. You know, it’s not easy to prepare for a trial. It takes a lot of time. Is there a concern that it’s going to cut into his campaigning?

    ALINA HABBA: Absolutely. I mean, it has to cut into his campaigning. And his opinion is that’s by design. I think we’ve seen with a lot of the cases and as we spoke about, I handle a lot of New York cases. There’s been this same theme where his cases seem to get fast-tracked and there’s concern that that’s intentional. I’d like to think as a lawyer that I trust the judicial system and that people can be impartial. But I’ve seen that sometimes it doesn’t always happen. And we never want politics to get into the courtroom. Right. So I think it’s unfair that it’s in the middle of election season. I would like to see him get through whatever he needs to get through as the leading candidate for the GOP and then move forward.

    KAITLAN COLLINS: And the judge seemed to acknowledge that yesterday. I mean, he spent most of that hearing talking about what Trump can and cannot publicly say about this, especially as they are starting to get the evidence that they, that the prosecutors have here. Is he going to abide by that protective order?

    ALINA HABBA: Absolutely. You know, President Trump has always abided by any order. He’s never been sanctioned by a judge for not listening to the rules. And myself, having been his attorney on numerous cases, I can tell you that he respects the court’s orders. Does he think that he’s always being treated fairly? No, absolutely not. Do I think so? No, absolutely not. But he he does not have no respect for the law. He respects the law, respects the judges. But he wants to see fairness come back to this country.'

    cont:

    https://www.mediaite.com/news/trump...ot-lay-off-attacks-on-this-judge-after-order/
     
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    The next day the same 2 workers loaded Trump's SUV going to Bedminster.
    Time to check Ivana's resting grounds. hehehe

    Josh Dawsey
    @jdawsey1


    NEW: Two Trump workers moved boxes back into a Mar-a-Lago storage room one day before the feds came to collect subpoenaed docs in June. And multiple witnesses have testified Trump showed classified material off at Mar-a-Lago. more w/
    @DevlinBarrett
    & co:

    washingtonpost.com
    Trump workers moved Mar-a-Lago boxes a day before Justice Dept. came for documents

    2:06 PM · May 25, 2023
     
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    Another bigly Smith Uh-Oh for Trump to chew on.


    "Investigators have sought to gather any evidence indicating Trump or people close to him deliberately withheld any classified papers from the government.

    On the evening of June 2, the same day the two employees moved the boxes, a lawyer for Trump contacted the Justice Department and said officials there were welcome to visit Mar-a-Lago and pick up classified documents related to the subpoena. Bratt and the FBI agents arrived the following day.

    Trump’s lawyers gave the officials a sealed envelope containing 38 classified documents and a signed attestation that a “diligent search” had been conducted for the documents sought by the subpoena and that all relevant documents had been turned over.'

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2023/05/25/trump-classified-documents-mar-a-lago/
     
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    Waiting on Smith's evidence that Kash Patel was involved in the sorting through of stolen classified docs deciding what to hand over to the FBI and what to keep.
    There was an article I read soon after the search and seize that Patel was on Mar a Lago security footage removing boxes from the storage room.
    I can't find the article.
    Anyone else read or hear this?
     
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    You'll get a kick out of this, you called it.

    "The weird thing here is it doesn't seem like the defense lawyers wrote it." he continued. "It seems like Trump dictated it, and that's not a good way to get a meeting or to succeed in a meeting."

    Boneheaded”: Legal experts trash Trump lawyers over “foolish” DOJ letter whining about Hunter Biden'

    "If you were a serious lawyer," says Neal Katyal, you would not write this letter and give it to the press"

    [​IMG]



    cont:
    https://www.salon.com/2023/05/25/bo...oolish-doj-letter-whining-about-hunter-biden/
     
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    Just weird how all of these "leaks" keep coming out from this investigation
    Not too suspicious
     
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    Mar-a-Lago Worker Provided Prosecutors New Details in Trump Documents Case

    The day before a key meeting last year between a lawyer for former President Donald J. Trump and officials seeking the return of classified documents in Mr. Trump’s possession, a maintenance worker at the former president’s private club saw an aide moving boxes into a storage room, according to a person familiar with the matter.

    The maintenance worker offered to help the aide — Walt Nauta, who was Mr. Trump’s valet in the White House — move the boxes and ended up lending him a hand. But the worker had no idea what was inside the boxes, the person familiar with the matter said. The maintenance worker has shared that account with federal prosecutors, the person said.

    The worker’s account is potentially significant to prosecutors as they piece together details of how Mr. Trump handled sensitive documents he took with him from the White House upon leaving office and whether he obstructed efforts by the Justice Department and the National Archives to retrieve them.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2023/05/25/us/politics/mar-a-lago-trump-classified-documents.html

    Just as Individual 1 obstructed Mueller's investigation he obstructed the DoJ's efforts to reclaim classified docs.

    Mar-a-Lago workers for former President Trump moved boxes of papers a day before federal authorities visited the residence last June to recover classified documents, The Washington Post reported.

    The Post also reported that people familiar with the matter said that Trump employees allegedly carried out a “dress rehearsal” for moving the documents even before they received a subpoena for documents last May. The Post reported that this new information could potentially extend the timeline determining whether the former president obstructed justice.

    https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-brie...es-at-mar-a-lago-day-before-fbi-visit-report/
     
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    Indictments After Memorial Day?

    Another flurry of new reporting about the Mar-a-Lago documents investigation.

    First, the timing of indictments:

    • Bloomberg: “Special Counsel Jack Smith is wrapping up his investigation into former president Donald Trump’s refusal to return classified documents after his election defeat and is poised to announce possible criminal charges in the days or weeks after Memorial Day, according to people familiar with the matter.”
    • WaPo: “The grand jury working on the investigation apparently has not met since May 5, after months of frenetic activity at the federal courthouse in Washington. That is the panel’s longest hiatus since December …”
    Second, two substantial and mostly new stories on some of the evidence Special Counsel Jack Smith has (emphasis below is mine):

    • WaPo: “Prosecutors in addition have gathered evidence indicating that Trump at times kept classified documents in his office in a place where they were visible and sometimes showed them to others, these people said.”
    • The NYT had limited access to the sealed court order piercing attorney-client privilege between Trump and Evan Corcoran: “At another point, Judge Howell addressed Mr. Trump’s intent and state of mind, saying that the government had also provided sufficient evidence to meet its burden of showing that the former president had retained the classified documents willfully, the person said.”
    https://talkingpointsmemo.com/morning-memo/espionage-act-donald-trump-mar-a-lago

    What choice does the DoJ have but to indict Trump in this case. Intel agents around the world risk their lives to obtain classified material. What message does it send if their bravery is made a mockery of by a sociopath who treated classified docs like souvenirs?
     
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    Surely the reason the trial is coming in the middle of the campaign is that Trumps lawyers constantly delayed it?
     
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    Trump's team delaying the trial I have not heard of.
    When he was arraigned the judge said August something for each side to get their motions in and by January something they will begin preparing for trial.
    Now is when they may start their delay tactics to try and get trial pushed to after the 2024 election?
    If I do see something that they have already delayed the trial I will post it.
     
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    Thanks, A bit of an assumption on my part over here in the Uk. Based on the shenanigans of Trumps endless new lawyers.
     
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    As far as I've read this is the latest for the March 2024 trial.

    "After setting the trial date, the judge warned all parties to not enter into any commitments, personal or professional, that would conflict with the completion of the legal proceedings. In addition, Aug. 29 was set for any new defense notion and Oct. 10 for prosecution responses.

    Merchan set Jan. 4, 2024, for his decision on the motions'.
     
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    Interesting read on Trump modus operandi of delaying.
    I don;t know what advantage it would be pushing the trial closer to the election.
    I would think he would want it delayed until after the election in hopes that he wins.
    If that were the scenario would the trial be postponed until after he was out of office?


    'Delay, delay, delay’: How Trump could push his trial into the heart of campaign season'

    'From pre-trial motions to negotiations over security, the master of legal stalling has many tactics in his arsenal.'


    https://www.politico.com/news/2023/04/01/trump-indictment-trial-date-delay-00090028
     
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    Well worth the listen.

    Appears that the Mar a Lago security footage that the FBI obtained has "gaps" in it.
    Two times the FBI got security footage.
    Hugo Lowell then Ari Melber
    "Obstruction" charges in the makings?
    Right after subpoena for tapes Walt emailed/texted(?) senior Calamari and said "call me".


     
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    Trump's Calamari boys who were/are in charge of Mar a Lago's subpoened security surveillance tapes.
    They've been with Trump for years.
    Another good one.

     
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    Never Trump, eh? lol

    'OH NO: Did Trump DOCTOR Mar-a-Lago security footage?'


     
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    Is Corcoran still representing Trump?
    Does all of Corcoran's detailed note taking along the way prove that he knew what Trump and himself/others were doing was illegal and he was trying to protect his ass when the day came, which it certainly did?
    It's difficult to believe a co-conspirator unless they flip and they have the evidence. yet
    As far as U know Corcoran didn't flip.
    My sister insists that Kash Patel did flip?
    I'm not there yet and keep thinking about the article I read ( and can't find) that said Patel is on Mar a Lago security surveillance tape removing boxes from the storage area.
    Now that it's being reported that there are "gaps" in the security footage it may be that whoever reported that Patel was on tape removing boxes knew about what had been deleted from the footage?

    Trump lawyer said to have been waved off searching office for secret records
    Source: The Guardian

    Exclusive: Evan Corcoran said he was steered away from Trump’s office, where the FBI later found the most sensitive materials

    Donald Trump’s lawyer tasked with searching for classified documents at Mar-a-Lago after the justice department issued a subpoena told associates that he was waved off from searching the former president’s office, where the FBI later found the most sensitive materials anywhere on the property.

    The lawyer, Evan Corcoran, recounted that several Trump aides had told him to search the storage room because that was where all the materials that had been brought from the White House at the end of Trump’s presidency ended up being deposited.

    Corcoran found 38 classified documents in the storage room. He then asked whether he should search anywhere else but was steered away, he told associates. Corcoran never searched Trump’s office and told prosecutors that the 38 papers were the extent of the material at Mar-a-Lago.

    The assertion that there were no classified documents in Trump’s office or elsewhere proved to be wrong when the FBI retrieved 101 classified documents months afterwards, including from the office, which was found to be where the most highly classified documents had been located.'

    Read more: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...trump-lawyer-waved-off-secret-document-search
     
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    Judge Mehta, hehehe

    'Ex-Trump White House official Peter Navarro to go on trial in September in Jan. 6 contempt case'

    Source: Associated Press

    WASHINGTON (AP) — Former Trump White House official Peter Navarro will stand trial in September on contempt of Congress charges filed after he refused to cooperate with a congressional investigation into the Jan. 6 attack on the U.S. Capitol.

    U.S. District Judge Amit Mehta set a Sept. 5 trial date during a court appearance on Tuesday in Washington.

    Navarro was charged last year with one contempt count for failing to appear for a deposition before the House committee investigating the Jan. 6 attack and a second charge for failing to produce documents the committee requested. He has pleaded not guilty.

    His attorneys declined to comment after Tuesday’s hearing.'


    Read more: https://apnews.com/article/navarro-trump-white-house-contempt-jan-6-c0217332f2ed3282b0a15b94a63648d2
     
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    My money is on Kash Patel being in charge of boxing up classified docs to get out of the white house.
    He did get limited immunity when testifying for the DOJ after having plead the 5th.








    *This transcript was generated by a third-party transcription software company, so please excuse any typos.

    'The one thing that nobody seems to question is who and how. Trump got all those documents. Who helped him get documents outta the White House? I think someone was helping him. Wayne, I gotta tell you, that is actually a brilliant question. It truly is. Because honestly before that I hadn't really thought about that. But think about it for a second, right? Do we honestly think that Donald J. Trump went in at night, all the lights are off, nobody else is around. He's, he got a little box here and he's like, oh, lemme take this one. Put this in here. Take one of these. I'm gonna, I'm gonna get these. Here we go. I got, got it. Like no, Donald Trump did not box up these documents himself. He did not load them onto the moving truck, close the door in the back and be like, ah, there we go.

    Done with that. Nobody knows anything. No, there were definitely accomplices. Like there has to be, I do not think for a, I mean Donald Trump can't even get his own food. :roflol: Of course people had to have helped him get these boxes. Not only filled but loaded. Honestly, probably Trump didn't touch any of it. He was like, Hey, you put this in there and then move it over there. Um, so yeah, that is a great question. Like what about the accomplices? Do we know who the accomplices are? Is the DOJ looking at that part? I hope they are. I mean, I have to imagine that, that, that somebody at that DOJ has had the same thought as Wayne. Like, wait a minute, wait a minute. There's no way he did this by himself. Donald Trump is not a very active person. He is in fact very lazy.

    So somebody else moved these documents, somebody else was involved in this. And we do actually know a couple people who may have been involved. One of them is Donald Trump's personal valet. Walt Nada. Uh, it is believed that he may have been one of the individuals who actually helped pack up documents and send them down to Mar-a-Lago. So if Mr. Nada was in fact doing that, we also know that Nada has spent quite a, quite a bit of time with the uh, special prosecutor Jack Smith. So it's possible that Nada is the guy who gave up. The rest of the moving team will call them. So hopefully the DOJ is looking down that road because anybody who was involved in this does need to face the justice system, not just Donald Trump. You gotta get everybody, all the cockroaches, cuz you leave one or two of them there, they're gonna reproduce and uh, then you end up with more roaches. Right?"
     
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    Not surprising.
    Just another thing for him to think about before he goes to sleep.

    'Trump Wants the Names of Those Investigating Him'


    May 30, 2023 at 11:04 am EDT By Taegan Goddard 96 Comments


    'Rolling Stone: “In recent months, the former president has asked close advisers, including at least one of his personal attorneys, if ‘we know’ all the names of senior FBI agents and Justice Department personnel who have worked on the federal probes into him. That’s according to two sources with direct knowledge of the matter and another person briefed on it.”

    “The former president has then privately discussed that should he return to the White House, it is imperative his new Department of Justice ‘quickly’ and ‘immediately’ purge the FBI and DOJ’s ranks of these officials and agents who’ve led the Trump-related criminal investigations, the sources recount.”

    https://politicalwire.com/2023/05/30/trump-wants-the-names-of-those-investigating-him/




    Trump calls for removal of every top official investigating him
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    The Hill
    https://thehill.com › regulation › court-battles › 39146...

    Mar 23, 2023 — President Trump on Thursday called for the removal of every law enforcement official currently leading investigations into him.
     
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    Trump captured on tape talking about classified document he kept after leaving the White House

    Federal prosecutors have obtained an audio recording of a summer 2021 meeting in which former President Donald Trump acknowledges he held onto a classified Pentagon document about a potential attack on Iran, multiple sources told CNN, undercutting his argument that he declassified everything.

    The recording indicates Trump understood he retained classified material after leaving the White House, according to multiple sources familiar with the investigation. On the recording, Trump’s comments suggest he would like to share the information but he’s aware of limitations on his ability post-presidency to declassify records, two of the sources said.

    https://www.cnn.com/2023/05/31/politics/trump-tape-classified-document-iran-milley/index.html

    It's not often that the prosecution has in its possession a tape of the defendant confessing to the crime.
     
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    Trump lawyers visit Justice Department

    Lawyers defending Donald Trump in an investigation related to his handling of highly sensitive national security documents were spotted entering the Justice Department on Monday, as special counsel Jack Smith appears to be approaching a charging decision in the matter.

    CBS observed the attorneys, including James Trusty and Lindsey Halligan, entering DOJ’s offices late Monday morning. The subject of their visit was not immediately clear, nor was the identity of the officials they were slated to meet. The Justice Department referred questions on the matter to a spokesman for Smith, who did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

    https://www.politico.com/news/2023/06/05/trump-lawyers-visit-justice-department-00100199

    By all accounts Smith has the goods.
     
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    Wait, A FLORIDA Grand Jury?

    The day’s coverage of the Mar-a-Lago documents case was focused on Trump’s legal team meeting with Special Counsel Jack Smith at Main Justice. But the interesting new tidbit that emerged had nothing to do with that high-profile meeting.

    New reporting yesterday emerged that Smith has been running a federal grand jury in Florida under the radar in tandem with the DC federal grand jury where most of the action in the Mar-a-Lago case has been.

    The reporting was somewhat threadbare, but here’s what’s been pieced together:

    • WSJ: “In recent days, Smith’s prosecutors have also sought testimony related to the documents probe before a grand jury in southern Florida, in what some people familiar with the process said appeared to be an effort to tie up several loose ends.”
    • WaPo: “In addition, testimony from at least one witness related to the documents probe has also been sought by Smith’s investigators before a federal grand jury in southern Florida, a jurisdiction that includes Mar-a-Lago, a person familiar with the investigation said.”
    • NYT: “Prosecutors are expected to question a new witness in front of a federal grand jury sitting in Florida later this week, according to people familiar with the matter. At least one other witness has already appeared before the Florida grand jury, which is separate from the one that has been sitting for months in Washington. It is not clear why a second grand jury is taking testimony in Florida.”
    https://talkingpointsmemo.com/morning-memo/mar-a-lago-florida-federal-grand-jury
     
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    Grand Jury in Florida Hints at Unknown Complexities in Trump Documents Inquiry

    The latest twist in the inquiry into former President Donald J. Trump’s handling of classified documents is the surprise revelation that a previously unknown federal grand jury in Florida has recently started hearing testimony in the case.

    The grand jury in Florida is separate from the one that has been sitting for months in Washington and has been the center of activity for prosecutors as they investigate whether Mr. Trump mishandled classified documents after leaving office or obstructed efforts to retrieve them. Among those who have appeared before the Washington grand jury in the past few months or have been subpoenaed by it, people familiar with the investigation said, are more than 20 members of Mr. Trump’s Secret Service security detail.

    But there are indications that the Washington grand jury — located in the city’s federal courthouse — may have stopped hearing witness testimony in recent weeks, according to three people familiar with its workings.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2023/06/06/us/politics/trump-florida-grand-jury.html

    Mark Meadows testified to federal grand jury in special counsel probe of Trump

    Mark Meadows, Donald Trump’s former chief of staff, has testified to a federal grand jury as part of special counsel Jack Smith’s ongoing investigation into the former president, according to one source familiar with the matter.

    It is not clear whether Meadows testified as part of the special counsel’s investigation into Trump’s potential mishandling of classified documents after leaving the White House or his probe into efforts to overturn the results of the 2020 presidential election.

    George Terwilliger, a lawyer representing Meadows, said in a statement that “Without commenting on whether or not Mr. Meadows has testified before the grand jury or in any other proceeding, Mr. Meadows has maintained a commitment to tell the truth where he has a legal obligation to do so.”

    https://www.cnn.com/2023/06/06/politics/mark-meadows-grand-jury-trump-probe/index.html

    Meadows knows as much as anyone, not only about Trump's treatment of classified docs, but also his failed coup.
     
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    Dozens of Secret Service agents have been subpoenaed or appeared before grand jury in Trump docs probe

    About two dozen Secret Service agents have been subpoenaed or have appeared before a federal grand jury in Washington that's looking into former President Donald Trump’s handling of classified documents, two sources familiar with the matter confirmed Tuesday.

    The sources said prosecutors have interviewed agents assigned to Trump’s security detail at his Mar-a-Lago estate in Florida, about 24 of whom have been asked to testify before the grand jury. All complied, the sources said.

    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/ju...stified-trump-classified-docs-probe-rcna88056

    I heard a funny line about prosecutors the other day. The commentator said they are famous for "playing with their food." The implication being it sometimes takes them forever to bring an indictment. Jack, get on with it.
     

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