The Greeks Who Pray to Zeus

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  1. Canell

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    I think someone might find this interesting. I did. :)



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    I could be wrong.....

    but I have the strong impression that the Zeus of Greek thought.......

    equals "Azazel" in Hebrew.... I base this on The Book of Enoch and on other writings.

    Azazel's full name is Azazel Baalzebub......

    and it is a historical fact that the Tribe of Dan went AposTate first.......

    and in a way.... led the twelve tribes into apostasy!

    I believe that the name Azazel in Leviticus chapter sixteen will ultimately become a RESTORATION story beyond that of the Apostle Paul......

    and in a way typified by the Apostle Paul... who once stated that he would be willing to be ACCURSED... for his people.....
    [in Jewish thought that could perhaps mean Paul becoming a "goat for Azazel" as opposed to becoming a Passover Lamb....like Rabbi and Messiah Son of David... Yeshua - Jesus accomplished]........

    The RESTORED Azazel will become a Prophet to Hades and the realms of the unsaved........
    and once he repents.....
    in a sense he will become like a Moses to the fallen angels......

    but this will be difficult beyond our ability to comprehend........

    .....
    ....
    ....

    and at this time former Covering Cherub Helel... who fell perhaps millions of years before the fall of Azazel that is explained in the Book of Enoch....

    is engaged in a massive psychological research project on all humans......

    but the wealthiest eight thousand to eight thousand five hundred people on earth are being tested beyond anybody else......
    ....
    As you can guess... former Covering Cherub Helel who is known to Christians as Lucifer......

    faces INSECURITY and feelings of INFERIORITY ... and guilt... and shame.... at a level that we cannot hardly begin to imagine......
    .....
    .....

    The repentance and near death experience account of Dutch banker Ronald Bernard.....

    can give us an idea of how the wealthiest of the wealthy have been enticed into a modern STANLEY MILGRAM PH.D. type of research project......

    that is on a global scale........

    https://reluctant-messenger.com/1enoch01-60.htm

    Near death experiencer Kevin Zadai was shown that the Patriarch Enoch and the Prophet Elijah will be the two witnesses of the book of Revelation.... I believe that he is correct because Yom Kippur will be fulfilled somehow in our time period.... and the Patriarch Enoch will explain about this to humanity... during the Great Tribulation....... The Time of Jacob's Trouble.......


     
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    If by some change.....

    one of the wealthiest eight thousand people on earth were to be led to this discussion.....

    you might want to read all thirteen chapters of the near death experience account of Christian Andreason......

    because he does the best job of dealing with the highest level truths that I have ever read.....

    [other than for near death experiencer Bruce F. MacDonald Ph. D. anyway].....

    http://www.allaboutchristian.com/spirituality/index.html
    Near death experiencer Christian Andreason.....
    Now if you would like something even beyond the NDE of Christian Andreason I would recommend.....

    https://www.amazon.ca/Thomas-Death-Quest-Gospel-Brother/dp/1608608190

    Some quotations are here....

    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...ination-for-nobel-prize-in-literature.542590/
     
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  4. Canell

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    I think you are this time, Dennis.
    Zeus is Jupiter in the Roman pantheon - the major character and the biggest planet in the Solar system.

    The world doesn't turn around Judaism and it's kidnapped kid - Judeo-Christianity, Dennis. The Chinese live fine without those for thousand of years.

    Sometimes I think the world would be better off without the false religion of Christianity. Hellenic paganism makes much more sense to me.

    Sorry for being rude, Dennis, I'm not in the mood today for Judeo-Christian sermons.
     
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    KAOS just dropped on Netflix this week.
     
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    You do have a good point in a way because near death experiencers are reporting meeting or at least seeing Greek or Roman gods / fallen angels.


    The story of Leda and the Swan sure sounds like Zeus and Azazel got into the same sort of trouble?????

    So Zeus = Jupiter = Azazel Baalzebub

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leda_and_the_Swan

    Leviticus 16 RSV


    Amazing details about the hidden meaning in the goat for Azazel are there in this book.......

    https://www.amazon.ca/Thomas-Death-Quest-Gospel-Brother/dp/1608608190

    My guess as to what the whole thing means.....

    is that If Azazel can be saved and restored to his Creator.......

    then the Holy Spirit is beginning to invade Hades and Sheol... the realms of the fallen dead... and the fallen angels... and fallen Watchers.... etc., etc.,

    .... but... it is interesting that this whole process has taken about five millennia or more.... and I believe that this is all built up on top of.... the Passover event of two millennia ago......

    http://www.allaboutchristian.com/spirituality/index.html
    Near death experiencer Christian Andreason....

     
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    Greek/Roman gods are not fallen angels, Dennis. That's a cunning Christian tactics to deal with the competition and maintain monopoly, claiming all other theologies Satan's work.
    The closest thing to a "fallen angel" in Hellenic tradition is Prometheus, often identified as Lucifer.
    You know the story, I believe. That Greek "Lucifer" was sentenced by Zeus to be crucified over a rock in the Caucasian mountains, etc. So, no, I don't believe Zeus to be the Jewish Azazel, "the Lord of flies".

    Zeus is the highest in the Greek Pantheon. Well, apart from those who precede him - Chaos, Kronos, Rea and so on.
     
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    True..... Azazel Baalzebub is NOT a fallen angel.......

    he is the fallen King of the Watchers.........

    and he was also called a son of G-d........

    whereas no angels were ever called full fledged sons of G-d that I can think of so...........

    in a way you are correct Canell.............
    ......
    ......

    and on that note I should quote you a part of Greek or Roman Mythology....... that is still relevant to a high percentage of Canadians or Americans......

    [Actually... I just remembered.... if I am not mistaken all 208 Watchers who fell along with Azazel were all termed "sons of G-d!"]


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    http://www.allaboutchristian.com/spirituality/index.html

    Near death experiencer Christian Andreason... chapter five



    Oh... Canell... I personally met somebody who sure looked like Pan......

    during my really tough two years from 1990 to 1992...... [actually I met him three times]........

    on one occasion I was close to suicide... I had a bulled in the 30,30 Winchester........

    and I had a profoundly STUPID plan to go to hell in order to find Azazel........ [or Zeus]......

    and convince him to go to heaven......

    and talk to YHWH like he had been doing in the time of the Book of Job........

    The guy who sure looked like "Pan" asked me a question that caused me to flip that bulled out of that 30.30

    ......
    and come out of my remodelled prayer closet.......

    Pan [or one of his brothers or cousins]..... asked me.... "What doest thou here Elijah?"

    .... so I looked to the right to see Elijah and I saw greater darkness... then I looked left to see Elijah.... and I saw greater darkness........

    and I realized that this Pan guy was getting into some fairly serious theology........


    .....


    "On that day the Lord will put a shield about the inhabitants of Jerusalem so that the feeblest among them on that day shall be like David, and the house of David shall be like God, like the angel of the Lord, at their head." [Zechariah 12"8]


    ... King David was like Elijah in the sense that just as the Prophet Elijah raised up an even greater Prophet.... Elisha... so also King David mentored his son King Solomon who in many ways accomplished even more than his father had done........


    Matthew 11:11
    "Truly I tell you, among those born of women no one has arisen greater than John the Baptist; yet the least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he."

    Yes... were are going into an era when even the most backslidden Messianic Jew or Christian will have a calling on their lives that will be even greater than the calling on John the Baptist in some ways.... so that question from Pan to me......... prevented me from making a colossal error....... [my guess would be that the guy who looked like Pan was probably either a son or grandson of Azazel..... and they had HOPE that perhaps my theory had some validity that the restoration of Azazel - Jupiter - Zeus.. would divide the kingdom of Satan... and cause it to fall]......

    A GUY WHO SURE LOOKED LIKE PAN STOPPED ME FROM COMMITTING SUICIDE BACK IN LATE 1990 OR EARLY IN 1991!!!!!!!
     
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    Wait, Dennis, if God created all of us, you and me included, aren't we all sons and daughters of God?

    Yes, of course. Greek mythology is much interesting and appealing than Judeo-Christian goat poop. Every kid and teenager will tell you that. And we all know that "the mouth of the youth speaks the truth". ;)

    If he had hooves and small horns on his head, it was not Pan, it was the Devil. :lol:
    Just kidding Dennis.

    Oh my! :alcoholic: You really are an eccentric block, Dennis. :mrgreen: Commit suicide to save a devil? :laughing:

    So it was Pan after all. I say good for you, Dennis. :hug:
    See, the ancient Greek religion is awesome. :icon_yoda:
     
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    There are writings that indicate that former Covering Cherub Helel was more like a brilliant Artificial Intelligence.......

    whereas Adam and Eve were like a son and daughter to YHWH.... and yes... Azazel and the 208 Watchers who fell along with him.... were also termed sons of G-d in the Book of Enoch.... [if I remember correctly]???.


    I admit that most Christians would assume that I had met the Devil.....
    and it is interesting that my experience was after reading either the second or third book by Dr. Raymond Moody...... in which I read for the first time about
    a negative near death experience..... or hellish NDE.


    Yes...... I felt that the name Azazel in Leviticus 16 was like a possible LOOPHOLE... that could decrease the AFFLICTION that the Jewish Messiah and YHWH have been having since the creation of us humans.

    "In all their affliction He was afflicted, And the Angel of His Presence saved them; In His love and in His pity He redeemed them; And He bore them and carried them All the days of old." [Isaiah 63: 9]


    For many years.. as I fasted on Yom Kippur.....
    and read more and more and more about Azazel.......

    I began to suspect that the Apostle Paul had at least considered.... what I did back in 1990 just after Yom Kippur.....

    Romans 9
    9 I say the truth in Christ, I lie not, my conscience also bearing me witness in the Holy Ghost,

    2 That I have great heaviness and continual sorrow in my heart.

    3 For I could wish that myself were accursed from Christ for my brethren, my kinsmen according to the flesh:
    ....
    .....

    So I actually got this idea from the Apostle Paul.......

    even if this was not any part of his intentions......?????


    I have to admit that I have a serious soft spot as I think of the three times that I met Pan........ [or the guy who sure did look like Pan]?????
    .....
    he did seriously impress me......

    My guess is that he is either a son or grandson of Azazel - Zeus- Jupiter.......???????????

    .....
    I also guessed that if Azazel would be restored to YHWH and to Messiah Yeshua - Jesus whose paying off of my debt and guilt.......

    was the reason why I felt that I could put in a bid... offer... bet.... wager.... proposed investment of TIME... on behalf of Azazel..... to pay off his guilt????????


    I have attempted to ramble on and on about this topic before......


    Darth Vader = Azazel = Zeus???


    Just a few days after beginning that discussion......

    I got even more specific with this one.... and I am still alive seven years later..... [Gracias a Dios]!!!!!?????


    I want to start an online outreach to Satanists....





     
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    I believe that it is important that I mention......

    that I cannot in any way believe that the name "Azazel" in Leviticus chapter sixteen in the original Hebrew... could be any sort of practical joke......

    YHWH cannot lie.... Messiah Yeshua - Jesus... Messiah the Passover Lamb cannot lie........

    and thus there are only two ways to become a Volunteer Yom Kippur goat like I volunteered to do.........

    one would have to be either a Messianic Jew.... [ or perhaps MessyAntik Jew] like me........

    or...... one could also do this as an Orthodox Jew or Chassidic Jew or observant Conservative or Reform Jew who can see another more modern... YOM KIPPUR GOAT... in former Atheist and near death experiencer Rabbi Alon Anava.........

    My offer was just after Yom Kippur 1990.......

    so it legally took effect on Yom Kippur 1991.... [and incidentally I met a Chassidic Jew online who actually followed the literal tracks of the "goat for Azazel" on Yom Kippur 1991.... and I am sure that it is no coincidence that that man and I met through Facebook].......

    I believe that the only way that somebody can pull off a modern volunteer Yom Kippur goat role........

    is either to pile the entire submission on top of the Messiah the Passover Lamb role as played by Rabbi Yeshua - Jesus in 31 C. E. OR.... ONE COULD RECOGNIZE A MODERN YOM KIPPUR GOAT........... from Passover 2001....... in the astonishing near death experience account of former Atheist... [which like me made him something of a "goat"]... but since his NDE... he has taught amazingly like what Rabbi Yeshua -Jesus........

    The near death experience account of Rabbi Alon Anava is shocking like Matthew chapter four.... and his teachings since his 2001 brush with death.... have been shocking like Matthew chapters five, six and seven........

    I do believe that Rabbi Alon Anava is playing out a role that within a century or so will be understood to have been at least somewhat Messianic.......
    ....
    after all... even a feeble Jew will soon have a David calling on their lives... in at least some ways.......

    ......

    If you Canel would like to consider rivalling me to do something for Zeus....... [who does sound somewhat like Azazel].....

    then you might want to closely listen to the NDE of Rabbi Alon Anva......
    ....
    .....

    At the forty four minute mark of this fascinating near death experience of former Atheist Rabbi Alon Anava... he talks about how he was shown the universe being formed OUT OF HERBREW LETTERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Richard Dawkins Ph. D. deserves credit for how he handled that interview with Ben Stein.... Dr. Dawkins would not rule out the possibility of life originating on another planet..... evolving to become technologically advanced... and then perhaps playing a role in the history of life on this earth. There is an ELEPHANT in the room though that I have not yet heard or read Dr. Dawkins discuss........... EXTRA - DIMENSIONAL ALIEN LIFE FORMS????????????????
    "Rabbi Alon Anava - His Life After Death experience - amazing new lecture!"


    https://www.alonanava.com


    https://www.alonanava.com/about/
     
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    I'm a former stoic-style Hellenic pagan. It can be really fun.
     
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    Actually in Greek it is pronounced something like "Deeus", not Zeus. Hence "Deus" in following Roman culture and "Dio" in today's Italian.

    :oldman:
     
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    Canell...... you Sir seem to have a major league prophetic calling on your life...... and your "ministry"..... and the word ministry is certainly subject to DEFINITION!!!!!!????????


    Proposed Republic of Western Canada and Unified Field Theory of M.W.P.



    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...theory-of-m-w-p.548225/page-6#post-1075117424



    Proposed Republic of Western Canada and Unified Field Theory of M.W.P.




    Canell.... does the following IMAGE grab your attention?





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    It certainly is, Dennis, but I doubt I am that special. ;)

    Well, I want Vancouver too. :lol:
     
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