The Grim Reality of Covid-19 - A Dire Warning to us All!

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  1. Derideo_Te

    Derideo_Te Well-Known Member

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    :roflol:

    Factless bovine excrement sans credible substantiation.
     
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    Good thread, Te. Generally speaking, I think it adds validity to the advice I started giving in early February -- lock your doors and load your guns. I would add to that, stock your pantries and shelves with things you need for a 'long haul', and trust little that we're being told by either governments, warring political factions, or, especially, central banks.

    Keep a closely-monitored distance between yourself and others... and never forget -- there are plenty of other people who will harm you, steal from you, and even kill you if they're motivated enough by greed or fear. Be careful... be alert... use common sense... and avoid the company of stupid fools!
     
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    Good advice Polly.:flagus:

    But "load your guns"?

    MY Guns Are ALWAYS Loaded.:salute:
     
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    kriman Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I own stock in corporations. I consider myself to be part of "the people".

    No corporations, no jobs. Like it. Hate it. But that is the way it is.
     
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    Eleuthera Well-Known Member Donor

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    Corporations are not persons. They are artificial entities created on paper by humans.
     
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    Eleuthera Well-Known Member Donor

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    And even before he came into office, by way of the mainstream media a significant part of the population lives in an alternate reality.

    When everything the American people believe is false, we will know the success of our misinformation efforts.
     
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    kriman Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    They are made up of humans.
     
  8. Eleuthera

    Eleuthera Well-Known Member Donor

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    You're kidding, right? All those years at Lockheed made you smart as a whip!

    The officers and stock holders are humans, but corporations are not persons.
     
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    Donald Dork was a tragic mistake. Unelected by the Popular-Vote he became PotUS in the Electoral College. No other advanced country on earth allows that to happen because none have accepted to employ such an absurd device.

    What he has done since election indicates fully that he is a fully Replicant president that will further the interests of the upper-classes. It is no more than a century and a half that Uncle Sam has not understood that there is no reason whatsoever to favor an upper-class by means of low taxation. Just the opposite in fact is what the country needs to assure that economy harmony reigns and all are treated fairly.

    Yes, there will always be differences in salaries. That is part&parcel a condition of any market-economy. But it up to we, the sheeple, to bring about upper-income taxation to assure that exaggerated incomes become an aberrant fixed-facet. Nobody deserves ridiculously high salaries.

    And particuarly in the US where we have allowed since more than 30-years the aggregation of corporations (buyouts) that minimizes competition and maximizes high-profits. Which is clearly unfair because it is we-the-sheeple who pay the higher pricing of concentrated markets due to the lack of sufficient competition ...
     
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    It makes little difference. The corporation goes under and the employees become unemployed and the stockholders lose their life savings. The lost is great whether it is the stockholder or the employees.

    I was smart as a whip before I went to work for Lockheed. That is why they hired me.
     
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    Eleuthera Well-Known Member Donor

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    I've owned and participated in and been employed by many corporations over the years. I do not object to them and consider them to be useful tools.

    The trouble is that this country has devolved into fascism and today in too many cases the corporations are nothing but bastions of immoral and greedy practices.
     
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    WTF are you talking about?
    Most people work for small businesses
     
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    Ya know what, Andy...? I'm thinking I like you better and better as more time goes by! :handshake:

    When I wrote my post advocating readiness for self-defense, I was thinking about all the poor bastards who live in cities and towns where they are forbidden by their governments to keep their firearms loaded unless they put them in lock-boxes and/or have 'trigger locks' on them. Luckily, here in Colorado we don't have any laws quite that stupid -- yet.... :cynic:

    Out here in our peculiarly, mashed-up "purple state" of Colorado, many of us still think that if a situation pops up where you really need your weapon fast, it must be all set and ready to go the instant it is picked up! :salute:
     
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    Absolutely.

    1) One always hope that an exigent situation of immediate personal harm would never arise...

    2) BUT, if such a situation does arise--The time it takes to load a gun could be the difference between life and death.

    3) Always stay loaded, Just memorize the location of the safety, Etc. :salute:
     
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    We just gave corporations a GIANT tax break. We have fortune 500 companies reaping big pofits and paying zero taxes.

    Now, when corporations didn't act responsibly, they want us to hose them down with our tax dollars.

    Is that necessary?

    NO. Ford's CEO pointed out that they took no help at the Bush recession. And, when they saw this problem months ago they increased their liquidity so they can not last through this one with no help, too.

    Which model is capitalism?

    If we keep bailing out corporations that have resources, but fail to manage themselves, why will these snowflakes start learning how to care for themselves?
     
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    I never would've thought in 2020 that someone on the Left side of the spectrum would make that argument. A argument I completely agree with. I could do without the corporate bailouts, and that money instead could go to the people(and arguably some of it will through employee-payments.).
     
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    kriman Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    It still comes down to a few basics. If the corporations go out of business, people lose jobs and investors lose their investment. I agree that corporations should manage properly. However, these are not normal times. The circumstances are well beyond their control
     
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    Isn't this the issue Pelosi was pushing on - plus requiring an audit trail on where the $2T goes?
     
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    If the issue were strictly on auditing where the money goes, etc then that would've easily been done. Either in the bill itself or additional bills(as some Congressmen just dawned on the obvious that if you're going to hold businesses out for MONTHS. 2 trillion ain't covering that loss lol. Uncharted territory folks.)

    Unfortunately, Pelosi crammed in her pet project items. So her concern is rather feigned honestly.
     
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    Yes - this is quite close to the "too big to fail" argument that without saving huge businesses, we'll be screwed.

    The Ford CEO says that's false.

    When they got a whiff of the problem they increased their liquidity and did other planning, so now they can weather the storm without tapping your tax dollars. That's what they did in the last recession, too. Unlike the others, Ford didn't need to be bailed out.

    We just got through giving corporations a GIGANTIC tax break. And, too many of them KNEW they didn't have to be responsible like Ford, because if disaster struck they can just claim we no choice but to give them a lot more money.

    When will that stop? What will cause greater responsibility among our most wealthy corporations?
     
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    Pelosi has been pushing for stuff like unemployment benefits for those who wouldn't otherwise qualify and other relief for those working at the below cost of living level.

    Also, when our hospitals are too expensive for the millions without coverage, they stay away and spread the diease. So, working on low cost hospital visits for such people is an issue that can help all of us.
     
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    This is a completely different situation beyond their control.
     
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    Sure, some of those things could've been included(and probably are to some degree.) But stuff like the airline emissions was utterly unnecessary. All that was necessary was a clean bill. Ironically, it's the same problem as the 2013 government shutdown.

    So Dems can't claim to have the higher ground in that anymore.
     
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    It wasn't beyond the control of Ford Motor Co. They prepared themselves when the news got out.

    So, which corporations can't do what Ford did?

    I'm not saying there are none of them, especially with small business.

    I just don't think it is really capitalism when we give large corporations such huge tax breaks that they don't even pay tax anymore. And, then we ship them our tax dollars when the company fails.

    Capitalism gets rid of companies that fail in order to free resources for better use.
     
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    Whether it is possible to prepare is questionable when they do not even know the possible impact. Their workers will not be allowed to come to work. Car dealerships will be shut down It will likely go on for months.
     

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