The human cost of anti-vaxxers is quantified.

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  1. Lee Atwater

    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Quarter of U.S. covid deaths were probably preventable with vaccination

    Within weeks, it’s likely that the 1,000,000th American will die of covid-19. The millionth death on record, that is — it’s likely that the number of deaths is undercounted. At the outset of the pandemic, after all, medical professionals didn’t know what they were looking for, and Americans were unprepared for the effects of the coronavirus and the disease it causes.

    The good news is that there now exist vaccines that largely eliminate the risk of death. Data from the months since vaccination was made broadly available in the United States has consistently shown that those who are vaccinated are far less likely to succumb to covid-19 than those who aren’t.

    New analysis from the Peterson Center on Healthcare and Kaiser Family Foundation (KFF) quantifies the effects of vaccination. Since June 2021, the point at which every American adult had access to coronavirus vaccines, they estimate that just over 234,000 unvaccinated Americans died who could have lived had they been immunized against the virus.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...vid-deaths-were-preventable-with-vaccination/

    What a travesty. All those unnecessary deaths. How many due to the kinds of misinformation spewed by liars like Tucker Carlson and other conservative liars? No one will ever know.

    Obama gave a speech today about misinformation. He spoke about the danger of people like Steve Bannon "flooding the public square with sewage." Creating enough doubt to make people no longer feel confident about what to believe. About what is the truth. About the insidious erosion of faith in our bedrock institutions. In the case of vaccines, leading to death.
     
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    stratego Well-Known Member

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    Vaccine is available. Tucker tells you the risks of taking it, Fauci tells you the risk of not taking it. Tucker isn't making policies mandating no vaccines.
     
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    kriman Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    What about Biden and Harris? They said they would have nothing to do with a vaccine created under the Trump administration.
     
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    Oh good. Yet another opinion dressed up as a fact. The science says the vaccines were effective against the original virus and had some thereapeutic effect during Delta. They became obsolete during subsequent strains. Now they aren't even necessary since the disease has lost its bite.
     
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    Proud anti-mandate individual here who will get the Vax day one after all mandates and restrictions are removed.
     
  6. Rampart

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    trump is no longer president. the data has been reviewed by bureaucrats not controlled or intimidated by trump or his appointees.

    most hospitals have covid wards. no hospitals have vaccine wards.
     
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    Like a two yr old throwing a tantrum.
     
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    fake news, that is not what they said, they said they would license to the science, not Trump
     
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    The vaccines being used were developed under the Trump administration.
    You can argue about her exact wording, but the message received by the general public was that she did not trust a vaccine developed by the Trump administration. Pence's words:
    “We’re going to have a vaccine in record time — in unheard-of time — in less than a year,” he said. “We have five companies in Phase 3 clinical trials. And we're right now producing tens of millions of doses. So the fact that you continue to undermine public confidence in a vaccine, if the vaccine emerges during the Trump administration, I think is unconscionable. And senator, I just ask you: Stop playing politics with people’s lives.”

    What Harris, not the brightest bulb around, should have known was that the health professionals are not going to vaccinate merely on Trump's say so.
     
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    If people died as a result of choosing to not being vaccinated...oh well
     
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    Hi, kriman.

    I assume, perhaps wrongly, that your statement is supported by evidence. Could you please provide the quotes?

    Thank you.

    Stay safe 'n well 'n remember the Big 5.
     
  12. Lee Atwater

    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    A statistical analysis is not opinion. Did you learn math in Florida?

    To estimate the number of COVID-19 deaths that could have been prevented by vaccination, we first looked at COVID-19 deaths among adults in the months after vaccines were widely available (June 2021 through March 2022). We exclude children from this analysis because vaccines have not been accessible for all children and adult permission may be required, though children represent less than 1% of COVID-19 deaths. This yields a total of about 389,000 adult COVID-19 deaths since June 2021.

    To estimate the number of deaths that could have been prevented by vaccination, we remove COVID-19 deaths among vaccinated adults from the total number of adult COVID-19 deaths in each month. Using CDC data on deaths by vaccination status for 25 jurisdictions, we calculated the share of COVID-19 deaths among those who were unvaccinated (ranging from 86% in June 2021, down to 58% in January 2022) and applied this to all adult COVID-19 deaths. We estimate a total of 270,000 adult COVID-19 deaths occurred among unvaccinated people from June 2021 through March 2022.

    https://www.healthsystemtracker.org/brief/covid19-and-other-leading-causes-of-death-in-the-us/
     
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    nope, you can try to spin what she said, but what she said is what she said
     
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    Tucker said many times that he was vaccinated. He also doesn't try to hide the risks of taking the vaccines. Why do liberals never want folks to know the actual risks of their experiments?
     
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    A freudian slip? Was it really about "license"(ing) for Harris? The both said they wouldn't trust a vaccine. Why? Politics, messaging, and given how much of their minority base isn't vaccinated, don't you see some responsibility in their political messaging in having created that obvious gap? You call fake news, and yet, we have video. We have vaccination statistics for minorities around the nation. And frankly, given their current southern border policy, being unvaccinated seems to be fashionable to them.
     
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    How are the vaccines a Liberal experiment? Didn't Trump claim credit for the vaccines? Why yes...he did...

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    Perhaps you missed the context...
     
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    Certain parties stand to profit, you know, the ones who are promoting the idea that people should get a shot that only serves to reduce the severity for the person getting the injection?

    If someone wants it, then get it. Attempting to demonize those who choose not to is a childish and sad game.
     
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    Nope
     
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    We still don't know if COVID kills. For all we know it just helps existing condition get the job done. We assume a cause of death without autopsy. A statistical analysis of guesswork is an opinion. The entire medical community knows better than to do what they have done with the hysteria surrounding this virus. I learned math in Cuba, not all that far from Florida.
     
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    lol, yeah, that should have been listening to trump, spell check error
     
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    HOGWASH.
    The issue is far from one of vaccination or no vaccination, and always has been. The miserable policies of management of the pandemic have taken a vastly higher toll, that doesn't register as clearly as the counting machines at the hospitals and morgues. The act of depriving people of activity for example, the imposed isolation of so many, particularly elderly- has created a depression and a loss of confidence in the value of life- and that means those people surrender, and often die. Those aren't counted- and they are the specific product of the obsession with forcing compliance with policies created by a combination of politically motivated and notably corrupted "experts" and public servants. The statistics and reports have been structured to convey not the whole truth, but to support the positions they wanted to be in. One of those is the connection with Fauci and the very source of the virus.

    We repeatedly heard denials that the Wuhan lab had any connection to the virus. But we learned that the Wuhan lab was involved with gain of function research on exactly this kind of virus, and that Fauci was well aware of that and involved with the promotion and funding of it. Given a simple analysis in geographical probability, the odds of a novel new virus popping up within a stones throw of a level-4 lab working on a novel new virus without the two being connected- are astronomical; well beyond one person winning the lottery several times in a row. The same people demanding control over people are denying that they have some responsibility in the cause of the pandemic in the first place. Only drooling fools trust such people- unless they are fed "misinformation", and intentionally deceived into thinking those people are above using deception to cover their own asses and avoid responsibility. The "Misinformation" started with the first lies, used to distance the laboratory from the disease, and it was a fairly successful deception- for a while.

    It's entirely logical to conclude that the primary responsibility for the pandemic falls on the people who authorized and financed such dangerous research, and failed to keep it secure. If this were something that happened in private industry, there would be a thousand liability layers on TV right now promising you part of the trillions of dollars in damages due you. The intent to deceive is not in doubt. The suppression of expert opinion that the virus came from the lab was suppressed, the opinion it did not was enhanced and promoted... they literally made it where failing to support the narrative risked the career and future of anyone speaking out against it.

    Once you build your case around denial, deception and lies- and once the public realizes that is what you are doing- only fools trust you or anything you have ever said.
    Some fools trust a lot longer than others.

    The people refused to follow all the demands of such "leadership" because it simply could not trust anything they said. The proved themselves untrustworthy- and doubled down on that by shifting to forced compliance instead of earning the trust of the people with transparency and honesty. That is what YOU support here. You blame the resistance to forced compliance being used to control the victims of gross negligence for the consequences of gross negligence by the people you try to protect.

    The real "Mis-information" about Covid started with the people who denied the obvious truths and intentionally deceived the people.

    The mis-information you speak of- is the voice of people who call our those lies. The people
     
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    i would be the last person to "demonize" someone for making a personal choice, even if they do belong to the party of mandatory drug testing.

    we live in a capitalist society. if you want the company not to profit there are several countries you can choose from.
     
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    No but he is a serious social influencer
     
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    Included with every medicine I get is a flyer outlining the side effects/risks associated with taking the medicine. I don't recall getting a flyer with my shots. Either there are none or they rushed out the vaccines too soon to produce a flyer. Or they don't want you to know. The fact that the pharmaceutical companies were granted protection from lawsuits by the government should at least raise an eyebrow.

    Biden, in addition to spreading other misinformation (aka - lies), said once we got vaccinated we would no longer have to wear a mask. The airline industries are in favor of that, but the CDC says that's not gonna fly. The mask mandates have to stay in force.
     

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