The Looming Ukraine Debacle. MOD ALERT

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  1. Durandal

    Durandal Well-Known Member Donor

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    That's a new lie. Did you come with that one on your own?
     
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    I am not the one made the definition of terrorist attack D .. using your Biden Blue definition .... so what is this "New Lie" - and "did you come up with that one on your own" - Durandal .. in your own words :) Attacking civilian infrastructure in Russia is a terrorist attack .. attacking civilians as they do is a War crime .. Is Palestinians firing rockets on Israel not a terrorist attack ? .. go speak to your beloved President if you want to call someone a Liar .. Cry him your Blues instead of shooting the messenger .. and then explain why you bought into the lie .. claiming "No propaganda in the west - Media - Political punditry"

    Now instead of going round accusing others of the Lie --- perhaps best take log out of own eye .. and then tell us how you bought into that doozy for so long "No propaganda in West - media - Political Punditry" - Just because it is white folks doing the terrorist act instead of brown folks don't change the fact that it is terrorism --- by your definition -- not mine. :)
     
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    So, #1, there is no evidence that Azov in particular is attacking refineries or other legitimate targets in mafialand that affect their economy and their ability to continue waging their genocidal war against Ukraine. #2, attacking such targets does not constitute terrorism, as they are indeed legitimate military targets.

    It's also amusing that you make no mention of the orcs' 2+ years of attacks on Ukrainian civilian infrastructure. Are you pretending to be unaware of them or are you pretending that they are somehow different? I know already that you have decided to ignore the reality of the situation, i.e. Ukraine was invaded by Russia and not vice versa, and Ukraine is therefore fighting to defend itself and is not the aggressor here.

    And you really should try to stay focused on the topic at hand. The Russian-supported terrorist attack on Israel by Hamas is not relevant here, even if it does help to show just how much the fascists in Moscow sponsor terrorism around the world in furtherance of their own agendas.
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Dude .. this is not about Russian Attacks .. it is about you crying out "Lie Lie" .. when it is you that is selling the falsehood. What is this abject nonsense about no evidence .. The Refinery -- Corus building .. attacks on the Kerch Bridge .. and so on .. all of these attacks on the Russian Homeland are "Terrorist Attacks" .. according to your beloved Biden's definition .. so don't blame what you think is a Biden Blue Lie on me.

    Your claim that I make no mention of Russian Retaliation is a ridiculous falsehood .. as I talk about it all the time .. Russia retaliates 10 X for the terrorist attacks.

    Your claim that the definition of terrorism for Palestinian actions is not relevant is preposterous nonsense on steroids ... the definition doesn't change because it is white folks doing the attack and not brown .. absurdity from start to finish.
     
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    Update from Ukraine | Awesome news! Allies call to target Ruzzia to cut Putin's attack
     
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    zoom_copter66 Well-Known Member

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    An eye for an eye.....

    If the phucking shoe fits....wear it...

    You burn my house....I'll burn yours.
     
  7. Durandal

    Durandal Well-Known Member Donor

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    That too, though bombing mafialand's run-down shacks and human anthills would honestly be a waste of bombs.
     
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    That it would....my bad.

    Blasting outdoor $hitters does nothing....orcs will just take a shovel did a hole and crap in it.


    I suggest targeting the Kremlin....
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    No No Zoomer .. not an eye for an eye going on here .. its an eye for 10 eyes.. Proxy cannon fodder that was never meant to win. Why you not understand this part of the story I do not know .. Azov was duped .. Proxy fodder for the MIC Donor Class - testing out some new equipment and poking the bear at the same time . a twofer Zoomer !! .. just at the expense of what was the nation of Ukraine -- status yet to be determined .. but it is going to be ugly.. when the dust settles.

    How can you fight an enemy when you are not allowed to attack their Homeland ? .. these "violations"/ terrorist attacks .. just pin pricks relative to what needs be done to have a chance at winning . They fighting with two hands tied behind back .. fighting without ammo .. weapons .. supplies and training.

    and now .. after 2 years of Meat grinder Hell .. 600,000 Dead according to latest tallies .. running out of human capital .. we maybe gonna get some f-16s .. which are gonna do squat .. taken out like flies with fly swatter. but what ever help ... coming far to late.. no ability to provide air defense suppression .. just another failed "wonder weapon"
     
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    It would be interesting to see what a cruise missile or two would do to it.
     
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    Where's this 600k dead....gifter.

    The rest of the post is verbal diarrhea.
     
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    LOL....I think we both know what would happen.
     
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    Spoken like a true blue dyed in Blood, US proxy PUPPET War Monger
    ? LOL ?
    - So YOU think violent DEATH is funny ? Has it been funny
    ...................................................................................... for how many Ukrainians ?

    H
    as the Ruination of Ukraine been that Hilarious ? - - Beware
    In WAR, violent DEATH
    does NOT only happen to those YOU brand
    ....................................................................... with a dirty unbridled HATE

    "Ask NOT for whom the Bell Tolls - It Tolls for Thee"
    .....
     
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    LOLOLOL --- ohh.. like that one wasn't predicted ahead of time... Mr. 1000 per day dead .. and since 800 days . why are you surprised by 600K dead. "Where .. Where .. Where" he cries .. just look at your own statistic and do the math .. that's where Zoomie .. should be 800K dead according to you .. are you happy the number is only 600K dead ? .. Need to listen to Douglas

    Zoom .. zoom ..zoom :)
     
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    That is inevitable. The sooner the better.

    The State Department's "A-Team" needs to yank its head out of its favorite hiding place.

    US Doesn't Support Ukraine Using American Weapons in Russia: Ambassador
    Newsweek on MSN.com

    |11 hours ago [May 4, 2024]
    American Ambassador to Ukraine Bridget Brink said that the U.S. does not "enable or encourage the use of our weapons in Russia."
    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/worl...ican-weapons-in-russia-ambassador/ar-AA1o76zL
     
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    Exactly - Biden's latest JV-Proxy Team was doomed from the get go .. like all the others .. the promise of "We have your Back" .. "Will fight till the End" .. as empty as all the the Last JV-Team (s) over in Syria.

    But, unlike the others --- this one was not allowed to attack behind enemy lines .. not allowed to attack the homeland .. or supply lines coming from the Homeland .. and not given weapons initially that would reach the enemy homeland.

    On what stupid world of military strategy is this plan going to be effective ? ? -- So what is the point of this war for Ukraine .. other than to provide cannon fodder for a US Donor Class Desire to poke Russia .. have a little proxy war .. keep the money flowing into the direction of the Military Industrial Complex ..

    and the Orwellian doublespeak is so dystopian .. Congress is going around bragging about it .. talking about how most of this 61 Billion dollar aid package will be going to our defense industry .. !! YES Dixon .. YES indeed .. it sure will :) .. but a ridiculously inefficient way to stimulate economic growth .. Deficit spending in a high interest rate environment..... and canaries in the coal mine of interest on our debt screeching at top of lung.
     
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    The Inconvenient Truth:

    1. [​IMG]https://ukraine.un.org › en › 210464-un-report-details-summary-executions-and-attacks-individual-civilians-russian-troops
      UN report details summary executions and attacks on ... - Ukraine
      Dec 7, 2022Kyiv, 7 December 2022 - In the initial weeks of the invasion of Ukraine, Russian armed forces summarily executed or carried out attacks on individuals leading to the deaths of hundreds of civilians, the Head of the UN Human Rights Monitoring Mission in Ukraine, Matilda Bogner said today. A UN Human Rights report based on the work of the Mission details how Russian troops killed civilians in ...
    2. [​IMG]https://abcnews.go.com › International › amnesty-international-russian-forces-executed-civilians-ukraine › story?id=83927829
      Russian forces executed civilians in Ukraine, Amnesty International ...
      An unnamed 46-year-old woman told Amnesty International that Russian troops entered her village of Bohdanivka, southeast of Kyiv, on March 7 or 8. On the night of March 9, the woman said she heard ...
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    3. [​IMG]https://www.cnn.com › 2022 › 04 › 03 › europe › bucha-ukraine-civilian-deaths-intl › index.html
      Bucha: Bodies strewn across street in Kyiv suburb as Ukraine accuses ...
      Apr 3, 2022Lviv, Ukraine CNN —. The lifeless bodies of at least 20 civilian men line a single street in the town of Bucha near the Ukrainian capital. Some lie face down on the pavement while others are ...
    4. [​IMG]https://www.theguardian.com › world › 2022 › sep › 23 › russia-has-committed-war-crimes-in-ukraine-say-un-investigators
      Russia has committed war crimes in Ukraine, say UN investigators
      Sep 23, 2022Fri 23 Sep 2022 10.08 EDT. Last modified on Fri 23 Sep 2022 17.06 EDT. The United Nations has said its investigators have concluded that Russia committed war crimes in Ukraine, including bombings ...
     
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    Good grief mate .. you need to quite living in the past .. 2022 :)
     
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    Simply put there is no military victory in Ukraine anymore than there was in Afghanistan. This was always to be resolved diplomatically. That doesn’t make me a “Putin bootlicker”, it’s just acknowledging reality.

    As an example the only way I could support forces on the ground is if our military advisors and generals could devise a strategy to win the war within 72 hours. We must decisively crush them before they think of going hot.

    That’s the only way to participate in the war without risking nuclear escalation
     
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    Simply put, of course it makes you a Putin bootlicker, if you are anyhow suggesting that the US invaded the Ukraine, like Putin does. It turns things upside down as Russia is outright invading the Ukraine even with far worse intention like the US or the Soviet Union did in Afghanistan, as the US or the SU wanted to establish a regime to keep Afghanistan in line while Russia wants the Ukraine, Ukranian as a culture, language and identity disappear.

    So, if you want to make comparisons to wars like Afghanistan (both US or SU), Vietnam, etc. and Ukraine, the question would be in the future, after Russia occupied the Ukraine. If Russia had a chance to take Ukraine and integrate it into Russia when the Ukranian population doesnt want it and put up resistance like e.g. a Vietcong on steroids is a different story, you dont wanna discuss. Instead you discuss the complete fictional invasion of the US in the Ukraine, which is a fairy-tale of Russian propaganda.

    I dont know which scenario you are discussing here.

    By the way you risk nuclear escalation everyday due to your troops close to the North Korean border, but obviously the US can live gladly with it.
     
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    What do you mean by that?
     
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    I dont know which point is not clear enough, can you be a little bit more specific?
     
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    The West uses Goebbels propaganda early on to justify the grift that follows. Much like the more recent "babies in ovens". They said it on TV so you know it's true. :laughing:
     
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    I agree with you. Ukraine will never win this war. At the end Ukraine must give up some of the territory Russian occupied. But the real question is how much Putin wants? Would he be satisfied with 10% of the Ukraine or 15%?
     
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    I don't know the answer to that question and neither do you.
     

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