The Manhattan DA’s Charges and Trump’s Defenses: A Detailed Preview

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  1. Alwayssa

    Alwayssa Well-Known Member

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    Mostly table issues drive voters. Take abortion in Kansas for instance. Not the results the GOP was hoping for when the voter turnout would be extremely low in most circumstances. On the contrary, it turns out that voter turnout was high and it was overwhelmingly voted down.

    Crime is not a political thing. A person does not commit a crime with the idea to give Democrats or Republicans a voter's edge, do they? New York is a high population density place, but I, nor you, don't want NYC to be like Singapore, would you? When it comes to firearms, the availability is staggering. There are community guns that gangs use, there are ghost guns that people use, and people will go to places where no background check is done. And most mass shootings have occurred in the past two centuries by people who never had a felony in their life. Again, not arguing that we should ban guns, but people hand around other people that they know, grew up with, etc. For gangs in poor neighborhoods, the street cred is more important to them because that is what they see on TV, sometimes glorified on TV as well. And NY is also notorious for organized crime from the Italian Mafia to the Irish to the Russians to the Haitian to the Chinese to the Japanese and much more. And NYC is home to some 137 or more languages, cultures, nationalities, and ethnicities. You can quite literally get authentic food from any of those places without paying for airline travel to get authentic food.

    And because it is highly densely populated, the fear is not just about crime, but Covid and other things. Uncertainty is what they are fearful of as the basis of all their fears. How it manifests can range widely depending on where they live and what they do. And at the same time, I can find that crime in any city and in any state, conservative or liberal. Thus, your argument is unfounded.
     
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  2. balancing act

    balancing act Well-Known Member

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    Those are too funny!
    I'm going to have to keep those in mind for future use! :wink:
    Thanks!
     
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  3. 9royhobbs

    9royhobbs Well-Known Member

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    An unfounded assumption on your part.
    Pointing out that something is legal doesn't suggest that anyone said it was illegal therefore, no strawman. Also, that statment wasn't an argument of any kind so, again, not a stawman. Do you know what a strawman argument is?
    What I said was that how money was donated or how much was donated didn't matter to me. I said "I don't care" but as per usual for you, your cited information was wrong.
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...ding-DA-Alvin-Braggs-campaign-allegation.html
    And what policies would those be since Bragg never ran for office before and had 2 of the prosecutors working on Trump's case quit because of his policy?
     
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    9royhobbs Well-Known Member

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    And there it is. Your go to move when your arguments fall apart.
     
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  5. truth and justice

    truth and justice Well-Known Member

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    Tax fraud is a clear case here. Trump claimed a personal expense as tax deductible. Just because no one will bother to charge him solely with that due to more serious offences does not mean he did not carry out tax fraud
     
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    Turtledude Well-Known Member Donor

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    I know it's a minor point of your response but the bolded part is false.
     
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    Turtledude Well-Known Member Donor

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    oh wow tRaitor tRump! that's a significant symptom
     
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  8. Andrew Jackson

    Andrew Jackson Well-Known Member

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    In GENERAL Terms:
    Any mention of a "Sinister" Soros/Bragg Connection is The Absolute Height of Imbecilic Tinfoil Hat Conspiracy Talk...
    ^And, Everybody KNOWS That!
    Even the Mention of the Soros/Bragg Connection (as something "Sinister") is an insult to the intelligence of the entire forum...
    [​IMG]
     
  9. Andrew Jackson

    Andrew Jackson Well-Known Member

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    :bored:
    Real FUNNY!:bored:
    Trump is the MORON who.looks like a Complete Idiot!
    The DELUSIONAL RW "Spin" Coming From Faux, Newsmax, and the RW Trash Blogs is Downright Comical...
     
  10. Wild Bill Kelsoe

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    How is tax fraud a clear case? You don't know how Trump claimed his payments to Cohen, or if he even did. If this is a tax fraud case, then the campaign finance charge needs to go away. And if he paid Cohen, then Cohen didn't make an illegal campaign contribution.

    Whether it is, or isn't, Bragg can't prosecute it.
     
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    this is coming from the side that continued to lie about some Russian-Trump collusion even though it has been proven that a Soros controlled entity gave 1 million to Bragg
     
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    Fake news. Policy driven by Free Voters is exactly how things should be, and the GOP is fine with this.
    CIVIL RIGHTS UPDATE: Judge Blocks Feds From Enforcing ‘Ghost Gun’ Ban Against Polymer80.

    The Feds, under illegitimate Joe, sure seem to have a difficult time respecting the Constitutional Rights of others.

    Joe's ATF Pukes 'exceeded their authority when they attempted to reinterpret what constitutes a firearm in order to restrict sales of unfinished parts and homemade gun kits.'
    Fake news, the argument wasn't founded on any city being wholly free of crime, which you were well aware of.
     
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    Wild Bill Kelsoe Well-Known Member

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    Post that as many times as you want. It'll never prove me wrong. In fact, it proves me right.
     
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    Accusation!
     
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    Turtledude Well-Known Member Donor

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    lame assertion
     
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    Since he isn't responsible for federal election law and federal campaign financing................what's he doing here with statutes whose statutes of limitations has expired over a NDA payment out of private money?

    This guy is not a US Attorney. He is not a State Attorney General. He is not a State District Attorney. He is not a county District Attorney. He is not a city DA. He is the DA of one borough in a city. Why is he going after a national political opponent for something that happened seven years ago, that he already declined prosecution as did his former college and the FEDS even declined.
     
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    There is no state campaign finance law here is was a federal election and the FEC did not fine him nor the DOJ prosecute for anything. This is all about your first paragraph, keep something going through the election to keep him under some investigation and "We REALLY have him THIS time" mantra and if he loses it will be dropped..............AGAIN.

    This is a lowly little borrough DA in New York city, no different that my city DA sudden charging Biden with a crime about some business report and trying to have him arrested.
     
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    Fixed it ... now, true!
     
  19. Alwayssa

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    Except it wasn't the results the GOP was wanting in that state, hence why the GOP is now trying to do it through the state legislature. Nor did it happen in Texas and a dozen other states as well. All done byt the state legislature. .

    https://kansasreflector.com/2023/01...an-condoms-iuds-at-the-county-and-city-level/

    The same judge who was overturned when he ruled Obamacare was unconstitutional, or when the Indian Welfare Act was ruled unconstitutional. both were overturned by the appeallate process. This one will too.

    Banning ghost guns is not banning guns. It means making sure that parts on the firearm have a registration number of some sort when gun dealers take those guns into their inventory, which makes them legal under the law.

    and yet "you guys" tend to focus only on "liberal cities" as where all the crime is. Go figure lol.
     
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    Maybe not in your state, but in your state, it is pretty much dead last at absolutely everything. But there are campaign finance laws in the state of New York. It is quite literally under New York State Election Code 14.130.

    Again, this is a state case, not federal. And whether he violated state law is where the grand jury. All I am arguing is that the doctrines applied to federal law may be applied to state law within their own codificaiton, such as substance over form or other doctrines.
     
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    You have not been right about this case at all, nor any other case.
     
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    Your failure to prove me wrong indicates otherwise.
     
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    Not me. There is nothing liberal about today's Leftwing Totalitarians. Liberal Constitutional Democracy is what Conservatives are seeking to conserve.

    Biden said *what* about gun-control aims?

    When our idiot in chief isn't conducting police raids on his political opponent, he's working to "keep guns out of the hands of domestic political advisors" [​IMG]

    Bragg is woke corrupt soros puke clown misusing his office to try to fix the 2024 election, because too many Dems aren't convinced that they can steal another presidential election.
     
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    Yes the people's state legislature.
     
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    They don't apply to Presidential campaigns that is governed by federal law. It's why he is desperate to tie to something else.

    Your insult to my state noted as if it refutes anything,

    Again he is trying to create some novel new state legal theory and apparently is having a revolt about it in the grand jury and his own office.
     

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