The more Godless America becomes, the more 'uncivil' it also becomes

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  1. elijah

    elijah New Member

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    I can claim that my opinion is right, and defend my position, but how is that different from every other person making a claim?

    History is hard to verify. I can claim there was a "socrates", and make a case for it, but can I verify it? Probably Not.
    Do you think socrates existed?
     
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    Exactly. And if your not here to gather others opinions and weigh them against one's own, maybe even validating some of one's own opinions further or changing one's mind. Then there really is no point to being here.
    Just go crawl on the couch and read your own propaganda. Right?
    Therefore the only futility is claiming my opinion is better than your opinion.

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    I could not claim one way or the other. Never had a reason to look into socrates nor do I see one in my future. I have heard the name, he was a philosopher?
     
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    yeah, socrates was supposed to be a philosopher, and the only existance that we know of him is from his student's writings. But, no one claims he didn't exist, but there is no evidence for his existance. History is hard to substantiate, but its doesn't make the one making the claim (Matthew and Luke) wrong. And then you have to realize that we're looking at documents that were copied many times, and they had to have noticed the "discrepancies", but still left them in. If this was some unexplained discrepany, then they could have editted it out in 300bc and we would be none the wiser.
     
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    Kind of a bad history book if you can't give a date within 100,000 years.
     
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    Maybe they did some editing and still got it wrong. We'd be none the wiser. I am willing to bet there is much editing.
    Does those who write about socrates give an approximate date of his existence?
    Do they offer similar stories of who the man was? And outside of philosophers, why does one care about him/her/it?
     
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    You can claim your opinion is right, but you can't prove it. You can't even say how many generations there were between Noah and Moses. If you can't give a ball park number on that, how can you trust the lineage of Jesus? Afterall, some of the same folks are involved.
     
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    Socrates didn't have students that claimed he did miracles. The things Socrates said we can test and experiment with in the realm of philosophical inquiry. The students also didn't produce documents that conflict with each other about Socrates.
    What is funny about your description of the discrepancies in scripture is you think they would have been "noticed" by the scribes rather than the scribes being part of the reason they exist. They made errors and additions and subtractions, some by mistake, some with agenda driven purpose.
    In 300 BC they were much more likely to support what they wanted to believe than feel driven to be dedicated to logical and critical thought. They were like you, wanting to believe what they wanted to believe, regardless of what they found out to the contrary.
     
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    the Cambrian "explosion" gave the opposite. The period of time involved is 30 million years or so, so its a leisurely sort of "explosion"

    There are examples of genetic bottlenecks for this species here, and that, there; but there should be one at the same point in time for all species if the "ark" story is real. There is not.
     
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    Is that what I said? Or, is that your interpretation of what I said?
    Nice try at your usual spin jobs. "up jumps the devil" is an expression equivalent to "up jumps the contention" or "up jumps the controversy". Therefore, it says nothing about my mindset however it says a lot about your mindset. Such as how you will attempt to create controversy.

    Discernment.... a Gift of the Spirit that you are seemingly lacking.
    Nope! You are saying that.
     
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    Yes I am.
     
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    I trace the in-civility of Americans back the the introduction of cable TV.
     
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    Then you are making a positive claim. Prove your claim.
     
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    Sorry. You don't allow anyone else to use common figures of speech, so we can't allow you to do it either. Goose and gander kind of thing.
    So devils must be jumping all over the place where you live. Like little evil jumping beans. That's what you asserted.
    Now you have made a positive assertion, so prove it!
    (You see how silly you sound most of the time?)
     
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    Goose and gander is an acceptable avenue to travel. touche'.

    As for the little devils jumping all over the place where I live... Well. You being the professed and studied pastor ought to know that the Bible teaches that no matter where you are located, the air is filled with demons. So, it would appear, at least from a Bible point of view, that you also have those devils jumping all over the place. Now you being the alleged Pastor of a Church, deny that you once taught the people of your congregation the same thing. Are we venturing back into the issue of the lies you admitted to telling your congregation? Yes we are! Now prove that those things that you have labeled as lies are in fact lies.
     
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    I don't believe religion and morality go hand in hand. I know a child molester who is Christian. Let's just skip past stereotypes and jokes of the Catholic church since he's protestant. Meanwhile one of my best friends is atheist and he doesn't believe people should do things to harm other people.

    I do believe there is a problem with a lack of morality though I don't think it's caused by Godlessness. We need to teach our youth morality regardless of what our religion is.
     
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    Sorry.
    You haven't proved anything about all the devils everywhere. You have just stated it, which is not proof, but just an opinion.
    Until you do, you are telling lies and have no credibility and must be considered to be entirely unreliable.
    (See how that works? Any idiot can do this. Some idiots make it their persona.)
     
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    Likewise, you have not proven anything that you have stated in the past. Eat fecal matter and render yourself incapacitated.
     
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    There is a new kind of 'god' since the 1900s, media (radio/news papers/television, the propaganda (controlled by the system, by ideology) and politics. People's minds are influenced by social engineering (invisble ideology inside politics, terms and labels)
    The persons in control can only play 'god' by using all there systems, use ideology/politics and mass media (figured out how to get control over billions of minds via all their media, today via the mass media and the system's internet media)
    Religions/believes are attacked, used by politics, suppressed. Everything what this system does is the same, wipe everything that is good, and cause everything that is bad/evil. It's a militarized system, everything it brings forward is causing resistance and fight in people, they have created warrior society (the structure is also military, large airplanes and roads, Pentagon), even religion is used to instil fight (by the shouting tv preachers) in the religious people, and the shouting commercials and dumb down and screaming tv programming. The world is becoming a 'neo babylonian' system (means, militarized world, lots of imperialistic red, white and black is used in all kinds of products, commercials, news media, google/youtube, all to forcefully change the masses, to create one mass of the same thinking people)
    For everything that is going since 2000, there is one overall word, tyranny.
    The opposite of civilisation and freedom is militarisation and (first fake) totalitarianism (to cause fear and fight in the masses, by that a revolt can occur, and from that a country can become a real totalitarian system)
    The world has become a more Godless one over the last hundred years (thoughts taken over/ stark influenced by mainly mass media and politics (the propaganda, the social engineering), the two biggest enemies of people) Since 2000 they are revolutionizing the masses, twelve years ongoing.
    When civilisation is returning, religion/believe is also going to return (darkness vs light) The more light in the minds of the people the more civilisation.
     
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    More loving civility from the Christian brethren.
    I see a dawning revival for America.
     
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    and you peeps expect us to take you seriously
     
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