The Nazi Party was not Right-Wing

And the facists came from the idea that the state is the private and the public. This is not a very far stretch from Marx.

 

Equalize the wealth of the citizens? What a crock. That is what they say, none bother with it. Socialism is rule by an elite over the masses. That is all. "The state" "the people" "the collective" all the same thing. Ask the Soviets. They put a "all these freedoms exist unless they interfere with the operations of the state" clause in their version of the bill of rights. What socialist ruler specifically did what to make them and the ruling class equal with the citizenry?

 

Marx would spit upon the economic principles of the Third Reich.

 

No no no no listen: communism is supposed to equalize citizens; you, the theoretical physicist, and your neighbour, the common labourer, get paid the same amount. In a fascist country, they might decide "We need things built and that labourer is more important to the state, so we're going to give him more money and authority." It unequalizes people based on their value to the cause, whereas in communism your merit doesn't matter, everyone is treated the same.

 

Yeah but he would also have spat upon the old Soviet economic system and Communist China's as well. Idealists are seldom realists, eh?

 

Why is that? Specifically.

 

because he hated rich industrialists and wealthy land-owners.

 

Well that's impossible when you have a government. That's where Leninism comes in. You reduce the division of people as much as possible - you have the common masses, all treated exactly the same and having the same wealth; and you have the ruling party, who are above the masses but equal among each other, who are supposed to decide on how to lead the country. In practice that's not possible either so most of the party is just bureacracy and only the Politburo sit around and argue out what should be done. But you can see that while there are levels to society, they are distinct, there is no gradual slope. The commoners are all the same as each other, the party members are all the same as each other, the Politburo is the same. This is as close as you can realistically get to a communist society - distinct levels.

So much like Capitalism, Fascism has a "slope" of wealth, from poorest to richest, the difference being that this wealth is not decided by a market economy but by the state.

Do you get the distinction yet? Or do you just ont want to see the distinction?

But no, "socialist" or "communist" countries are really only called that to make people like the guy in charge, in reality it's all about him. I think only Democratic Socialist European countries are actually in existence to equalize people instead of give power to the man in charge.

 

No communism can exist without mass starvation. People won't work harder for nothing extra. Mao tried it once. Worst human disaster in history. A heirarchy has existed in every leftist regime ever.

 

now you're just making (*)(*)(*)(*) up.

 

Marxism is about the people. Fascism is about the state. In practice Marxism takes on authoritarian governments because it cannot exist in reality in its "pure" form.

 

Try it one day. Go live on a commune and don't buy any capitalist produced goods. Let me know when you are on deaths door so I can say "told you so".

Did you hear about Mao's cultural revolution? Has there ever been a time that humanity got closer to nationwide communism? Has there ever been so many deaths? A famine so great? Etc..

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Well there you go. We are talking about reality. Not fantasy land. These places we are talking about all exist and did things. Leftist things.

 

So like a caste system? Sounds worse then class inequality.

Who decides where you are on the slope? What you make and what you do under both systems?

do you?

Your explanation of fascism could fit equally well in every leftist country in existence and you can't name one to the contrary.

Left wing anti authoritarian vs left wing authoritarian. See how the graph works better then your linear model?

Side note. You should say "equality of outcome" rather then equality. It is more accurate. Right wing anti authoritarians like yourself if you are libertarian are for free trade and equal treatment under the law. Not equality in outcome.

 

most American Conservatives are Authoritarians.

 

Says you. Most are less authoritarian then the Lefters. Don't forget your economic theories are all authoritarian in nature. What people do and what they buy and how they make a living is bigger then gay marriage.

 

that's comforting.

 

ban gay marriage?

ban abortion?

force women to undergo an invasive ultrasound and having to look at it, before getting an abortion?

banning marijuana?

baanning assisted suicide for the terminally ill?

cracking down on illegal immigrants?

making it harder to register to vote?

making it harder to vote?



these are ALL American Conservative values, and are all Authoritarian!!!!

 

no wonder it takes a tyrant to smash the people into submission. Nobody would go along with this stupidity.

 

you really are uninformed.

 

well, it used to be this way.

 

it was never that way. Libertarians despise the authoritarian nature of both sides.

 

That's not true, running companies was possible and maxmizing profits took place, as well as interests or inherited weath and income.

Thats definitely true.

There was a nationalist agenda, race theories and many other things you would rather connect with the right, in other points there are more similarities with the left.

 

I made a response to all of these things 2 pages ago. Expanding rights throught the life cycle is anti authoritarian. It is an expansion of rights. Republicans conserve the freedoms we won, like an end to slavery, the right of blacks and women to vote, civil rights act of 1868, 1957, and 1964. Voters rights act.

Democrats used to pay ACORN taxpayer money to commit election fraud, so now we need voter is laws which have no statistical impact on voting but the left likes to pretend it is some grave injustice. Meanwhile they demand at all times you display their Signs at work or they can shut you down. Just about everything from the left is authoritarian really except gay sex. Republicans also made the first move on weed. Alaska. As noted previously. You can't have big immigration and a welfare state at the same time. It may be authoritarian, but it is dictated by math. I am on the right. I think you should be able to kill yourself. People on the left are also against this. Suicide is t popular in America. I agree it is authoritarian.

 

the most stringent voter requirements are very easy to satisfy, unless you are trying to get away with something.

 

How is the american right for racial politics? Can you name any time the American left has not advocated racially discriminatory laws? Any year? Any year the right didnt call for more equality under the law then the left?