The percentage of deaths from Covid-19

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  1. Rugglestx

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    The death count is not underestimated. They are adding unconfirmed deaths as C19 based on assumptions. If anything the death count is overestimated.

    The infection is very high, thankfully this virus has little to no effect on the vast majority of people. That very high infection rate is why we have such a low death rate.

    The media and fear mongering tried to sell us a much greater threat than we face. And some fell for it hook line and sinker . Some seem determine to still fall for it even though the math proves that to be incorrect.
     
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    Your getting as bad as Trump. You can't remember what you have said:

     
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    Oh, I see.

    Now you are moving the goalposts...
     
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    What data do you now have?

    What is their source?

    And on what assumptions are these data based?

    I seriously doubt that those deaths--the ones "not counted so far"--will even begin to offset those that are now being counted as covid-19 deaths, when it was really some other reason that the person (who did have that infection) actually died.
     
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    WorldofMeters, the CDC, John Hopkins Hospital, Washington State University, University of Texas, and the New York Times.

    The various hospitals, state and federal reporting agencies, and independent data scientists.

    That the people who test positive for Covid-19 and die have a death which is related to and significantly impacted by Covid-19.

    Whether you have serious doubts is largely irrelevant. The health experts and data scientists both within and abroad have said that there is nothing wrong with counting people who died with Covid-19 as a Covid-19 death except under the most extreme of circumstances.
     
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    So, you are actually admitting--"No," you proudly proclaimed--that you do not care about "the huge spike in suicides recently--presumably, because people are going crazy over this continued lockdown"; or "the large spike in domestic abuse, as people who used to have jobs to attend every day no longer do."

    Well, we all know, now, just what you think...
     
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    No. I did not say that I don't care about the one. But I am more concerned about the other.

    So many turdballs our there always want to get personal and make things personal. Why are you trying to get personal?

    Learn to debate like an adult. That's the way to get people to take you seriously.
     
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    I want you to consider the very real possibility that if this virus did explode uncontrollably, to the point where people over a specific age or with specific conditions were told to stay home because the hospital needed to leave their resources for those more likely to survive, the likely spike of suicides and domestic abuse because of the increased psychological strain of such a situation.
     
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    Then please post their sources--and the reasoning behind their conclusions.

    That the people who test positive for Covid-19 and die have a death which is related to and significantly impacted by Covid-19.



    Are you quite serious?

    If a person already has lung cancer; and he (or she) dies of it; would you really say that this should be counted as a covid-19 death?
     
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    Actually, you did say precisely that. I even quoted you.

    I really do not care if you "take [me] seriously" or not. If you do not, please feel free to place me on "Ignore." Anytime at all.

    Moreover, I would suggest that your use of the term "turdballs" is rather personal, on your part...
     
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    You are free and strongly encouraged to go to the sources I already provided you and read for yourself. I don't have time to track down 7 different websites and explain to you their sourcing and rationales.

    And yes, that person should absolutely be counted as a Covid-19 death because they did not die from Lung Cancer. They died because Covid-19 attacked a weakened immune system and made the person drown on their own fluids from a cyotkine-storm.
     
  12. Statistikhengst

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    A single word "No." can have many meanings. Instead of getting personal and assuming that you know exactly what a person means, why not ask for clarification, you know, like adults do?

    Also, do you need a safe-space? Sure sounds like it.
     
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    Yes, I entirely agree that the "spike of suicides and domestic abuse because of the increased psychological strain" of this lockdown is what has happened. Precisely.

    And I am well over that "specific age"--72, to be exact--but so what?

    In any case, I am quite unsure as to your point.
     
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    Yes, I can see where you missed the point because I was asking you to consider the spike associated with the increased psychological strain of an uncontrolled pandemic that would result from taking zero epidemic control measures.
     
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    Strawman. Who is advocating taking no control measures ???
     
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    In the pandemic of 1918-1919----
     
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    He's just trolling.
     
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    Hey genius, that was sarcasm based on the double talking lefties who claim this is contagious as all get out but then use only confirmed cases to determine death rate.

    Holy hell...how much cleaner could I have made it?

    But let me try again.

    You can not have a death rate over 1% and a high infection rate. It is not possible. You can have one or the other, but not both.
     
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    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.th...-cities-are-now-conducting-cor-1842650369/amp

    What a overblown POS post. More fear mongering with this virus. You are using more conjecture than facts, and it’s not even close...

    We have a suspension of the COTUS in parts of this country. And you are OK with that....you just applaud it in fact...

    Amazing.

    Of course your freedom was free to you so why not give it away ?

    Keep your damn hands off mine though. Not all of Are shivering sheep in the pen waiting for someone to tell us how to live.
     
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    Wait, wutt, you are moaning and groaning about the death rate for an EVENT STILL IN PROGRESS?

    How crazy is that, nöööööö.

    You really think this thing is over with? Really?
     
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    I see. So what is your number?
    On the second. Sure you can it just doesn't last long. But the results are devastating.
     
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    Uhh....why?
     
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    There it is. Disagreement = trolling.
     
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    And the data shows that very thing.
     

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