The real cancer

Who said that they did?

 

I couldn't care less if someone said they did. I'm referring to the thought you asked if Wolverine ever stopped to think.

 

I didn't think you wanted me to dumb it down because you couldnt understand. I though you wanted me to dumb it down as part of some nefarious scheme. Try not to read too much into it.

 

You ask the million dollar question. My answer will not suffice, yet the Word does.

Of course there is evil, it's inherent in every single living human, it's called sin. Whether one wants to believe this is on them, there is a world beyond the physical, it's the spiritual. All these things I mentioned earlier are the results of natural calamaties, mans' failures and wrong-headed thinking by individuals or groups of people. Most as a result of living in a sinful, evil, unGodly world. Evil is the downfall of man hence the need for turning to a God who did not create this world as we live in but as He created and purposed for our lives. Jesus does love us, He doesn't cause evil, He wants us to live a life of joy and happiness in all circumstances. But we destroy that opportunity. Look around and you'll understand why.

Do you think a loving God causes these disasters and negative things in our life? If you believe that then you don't know the God that I know.

Put your trust in man? or God? There is a difference.

 

I don't necessarily disagree with what you posted, however the Holy Bible does not suggest or even hint at the possiblity of an original explosion nor unknown amoeba as the beginnings of the Universe nor creation of man. The Word indeed tells us how this all came about. Unless you are suggesting the writers of the Holy Bible are in error or have misconstrued God's Word for whatever reason they might have done that.

Of course, once again you point man's abuse in the case of "abuse His name to extract money from the...". When man is outside the Will of God, this results. Look around, is any of this mess around us the result of a God that loves us? I say NO. There is evil in this world, a world that was created for man in His image, yet man is a fallen creature so why not suppose we reap what we sow?

I take nothing about God for granted, I will not nor can I box Him in. But thanks for the laugh.

 

Trust man or god? There are the same.

The issue with your argument is that it ignores that not every sinner suffers, and those who are innocent suffer and die as well.


The Problem of Evil:

1. If an all-powerful and perfectly good god exists, then evil does not.
2.There is evil in the world.
3. Therefore, an all-powerful and perfectly good god does not exist.

Or

1. God exists.
2. God is omnipotent, omniscient, and perfectly good.
3. A perfectly good being would want to prevent all evils.
4. An omniscient being knows every way in which evils can come into existence.
5. An omnipotent being, who knows every way in which an evil can come into existence, has the power to prevent that evil from coming into existence.
6. A being who knows every way in which an evil can come into existence, who is able to prevent that evil from coming into existence, and who wants to do so, would prevent the existence of that evil.
7.If there exists an omnipotent, omniscient, and perfectly good being, then no evil exists.
8.Evil exists (logical contradiction).

 

Quoting you "To entertain the thought that people get hit by debilitating illnesses, injuries and death because they happen not to share a certain imagination. "

I had previously stated "Ever stop to think that it is simply because they don't believe, or that they don't put their trust in the Lord, or (the one that some would most likely expect to hear) that it is because God ordained it to be that way as a means of testing the spirit of those witnessing the situation or reading about the situation?"

Where do you see that I have mentioned not sharing a 'certain imagination' being the cause? No? Then you have some more wild misrepresentation flitting about in your mind (and on the screen). Tsk Tsk.

 

Well JB. I am aware of the hazards of cancer. Ironically, cancer is what caused the death of my wife. I was given that spiritual strength and still have it. Speaking of cancer... during that ordeal, I had gained opportunity to speak with 4 different Oncologists who reported to me that they (the scientific community) does not KNOW what causes cancer. Not just the brand and or variety that my wife had, but cancer in general.... They don't know what causes cancer.. So don't you worry about me and my spiritual strength and or my physical and emotional fortitude in dealing with such matters.

 

Of course the bible doesn't mention amoebas. Without microscopes the people to whom it was addressed back then didn't even know amoebas exist. So I reckon - and this is of course a mere assumption - it would have overburdened them had God explained His creation in exact detail mentioning things they could not possibly have understood. So He may have thought: "Let's drop them some vague hints and let them work out the details later, when they're ready."
Don't you think that it's exciting that there's still so much out there in the universe we have yet find out about? If God had told us everything in advance that would spoil all the fun of exploration. And I don't really think God is a spoiler.

 

You missed out the possibility that the existence of evil and suffering may have a point that is beyond our human comprehension. And be it only that the light of good shines all the brighter in evil and that it challenges us to fight it. I don't know and believe me like many a Christian I too sometimes take out my anger and despair on God. But in the end it comes down to the certainty that even though it pisses me off and even though I can't understand it for the life of me there must be some sort of bigger sense behind all the (***) that happens in the world.

 

I'm sorry to hear about your loss and I hope the Lord will keep giving you the strength to cope with it. Two years ago my mother in law also died of cancer. She was one of the most wonderful people I ever met. Let's hope cancer research will keep making progress even though it's too late for the loved ones we lost.

 

Thank you for that note.

 

I don't know what the heck you're talking about. A bunch of mumbo, jumbo. Where is the "compell people to reject other people" in my post or in the Holy Bible? It's not even in my thought.

 

There is no argument whether it's man or God one trusts. It's a choice.

The image you provide is a good example of following man, not God. Man has done this to his fellow man. Another reason not to rely on Governments of this world, but you can count on the churches to help out as they lead the charge against poverty, hunger and illness throughout the world. Perhaps you could join us rather than just express your emotional outrage of an injustice you think God perpertrated. How about it?

 

I'm more excited by the possibility of one knowing the Creator rather than the creation. They might not have known what an amoeba was, but they certainly knew what dust was. After all, the writers were inspired of God they wrote about many things they did not understand both past and future. We on earth will not know nor find out everything until we meet Him. Now, as a Christian you should know that. I'm not against science, history nor mathematical chances and these knowledges do nothing to counter the truth of the Word. They in fact support it.

 

I too am sorry about the loss of yours and others from cancer. But the hope is in the One who created us. Let us not replace that hope for a possibility of man's future discovery which will in fact be science catching up.

If your Mom was a Christian, she is not lost. We know exactly where she is. The one's lost are those unbelievers.

 

You know what: Believing in a merciful God makes me doubt wether only those of us who were lucky enough to be presented with the gift of faith will be saved.
Even though she was a clergyman's daughter my mother in law wasn't very religious. But she was full of friendliness, always loving, caring and understanding and until she couldn't work any more she devoted all of her skills to help children and adults with special needs. If the Lord doesn't have mercy on her soul I'm not sure whether he'll have mercy on anybodies, let alone mine. The wonderful hospice-pastor who gave her and us pastoral care during her last months certainly never told her she'd be lost because she wasn't a stern believer and rightly so.

 

Is your belief in a merciful God based on the reading of the Holy Bible or something else? If on the Word then you know it's not about luck for all are aware of the knowledge of God. "Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them. For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:"[/B](Romans 1:19-20)

One need not know the name of Jesus, but the only sin that can not be forgiven and leads one on the path to H-e-l-l is the rejection of Jesus as your Savior. Think about this when you encounter those that think God is unjust if He sends babies, the mentally incompetent or the ones who have never heard of Jesus or had an opportunity to believe in Him.

Nor is it a matter of being "presented with the gift of faith". This is non-scriptural. Salvation is by the Grace of God, is something God offers, Faith is our belief in Jesus. Being good, doing works, being devoted to children and all are fine attributes but have nothing to do with being Saved.

Being religious or not is not a prerequisite for being a Christian.

Your comment "The wonderful hospice-pastor who gave her and us pastoral care during her last months certainly never told her she'd be lost because she wasn't a stern believer and rightly so." Well, no right-minded pastor would, particularly the part about "stern believer". However, a pastor should offer up the Salvation message to any and all who do not know Jesus or who do not have the assurance thereof. Be it at the bedside of one who is dying or not. The Great Commission is all about reaching every nation in the world for the Word says that there will people of ALL Nations that will be in Heaven.

So we share the Good News not to condemn others but we are commanded by God to do so, so that none should perish. It's only those that reject Him that have chosen an eternity in H-e-l-l and this is rightly so.

 

There is nothing unusual about a Christian at times expressing doubt and wondering and asking questions. We wouldn't be human if we did not. But at the same time at some point I would think one would come to the conclusion that they are assured that they are Saved. If not, they have until their last breath have that opportunity. It may not be scriptural but I believe each person at the moment of their death may have an encounter with Jesus and be given an opportunity to believe in Him if they had not done so before. This is my hope. Yet the Word says we will not be given a 2nd chance after death contrary to what some religions teach.

Keep the Faith, Brother.

 

Or how about you address the Problem of Evil?

 

Why don't you do the same thing? I requested that you provide information pertaining to the "Problem of Evil" and so far, you have refused to do so. Do you have any information of that subject?

 

I had a hunch that you don't think of those without your belief, or "unbelief" as you call it, as people.

But I can tell you that I do, BFOJ. And you just called all of them a cancer.

 

Wrong again. He said their "unbelief" is a "cancer".

 

You claim to be into computing, so could you please outline an object for me that you can assign the property of Unbelief to? Heck, for the sake of simplicity just outline a class, the objects of which could possibly inherit the property of Unbelief.