The Republican Presidential Candidate Democrats Should Fear

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  1. gfm7175

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    The "next generation" of "younger people", such as myself (I'm in my lower 30s), ARE the very people who are interestingly enough supporting the very same people who you claim we need to "turn away from", such as Bernie Sanders and Donald Trump... Us "next generation" of "younger people" are supporting people like Bernie Sanders and Donald Trump because we are opposed to the bad trade deals that have screwed over the American worker (shipping their labor over to China), opposed to warmongers (like the Bushes & McCains of the GOP) enrichening themselves via the Ukraine grift, and are opposed to big globalist corporate interests taking over every aspect of our lives via the COVID grift and the Climate grift.

    We're sick of the "meet the new boss; same as the old boss" insanity... That's why Bernie Sanders (liberal) and Donald Trump (conservative) are so popular right now, as they actually care about nationalist interests rather than globalist interests.
     
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    Oh please. Ross Perot was a terrible candidate who mainly in the 1992 race because he a beef with the Bush family. The guy thought he could run the U.S. Government like one of his companies. He'd tell Congress what to do and where to jump, and they were ask, "How high?" In reality, Congress would have told him to go to hell. The only reason why you wouldn't say that Perot was living in fantasy world was because he knew he couldn't win.

    However, in the interest of party unity, here is some campaign eye candy for you.

    Perot.jpg
     
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    Bernie Sanders is a hard core socialist who would take this country down the toilet. He was a big supporter of the Soviet Russian Communists System. He had his honeymoon there.

    It amazes me that you could support Trump and be fooled by phony like him who has made himself and and his wife rich off the government dime. One of the big complaints about the hard left leaders is that they always end up filthy rich from their policies while the working people suffer. Bernie Sanders is no different.

    AOC, who is one of Sanders big supporters, wants to live the same lifestyle. The House is not looking into her night on the town at the Metropolitan Museum of Art gala :gallery: wearing that BS "Soak the Rich" gown that cost $30 grand. She's another gold plated phony who is "for the people." Be carful of the Kool-Aid. :alcoholic:
     
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    Agreed.

    I agree... I'm just saying that Bernie DOES understand the issue of bad trade deals (as does Trump). That's what they both have in common and why people do like both of them (typical liberal voters liking Bernie and typical conservative voters liking Trump).

    However, on many other issues, Bernie definitely has bad policy. I'm a Trump supporter through and through and would never consider Bernie, but I'll give Bernie credit where credit is due. On the issues with globalist trade, and how the American worker is getting screwed over, Bernie has it right and the establishment GOP has it wrong. But Bernie's "fix" for the issue sucks. Trump's doesn't.
     
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    Yeah, the Capitol Police allowed and wanted trumps mindless dipshit traitors to storm the Capitol chanting "Hang Mike Pence."
     
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    A lot of the establishment GOP have big investments in China. That's why they slow to condemn what Xi is doing.

    I think that Xi is a fool. The Chinese were beating us and getting what they wanted without all of the saber rattling. They were stealing our technology to keep them afloat. That combined with their cheap, sometimes slave labor, was giving them the competitive advantage. All it took was more time. Now Xi thinks he can win with threats and military action. With the woke Democrats and establishment Republicans in charge, he's got a better chance.

    As for Bernie, the communists have been big on not wanting world trade for the countries they control since Stalin. Their stated belief is that their planned, closed economic system could supply all that the proletariat needs. Actually it’s a cover to keep the people ignorant about how much things suck under the communist system. And, things have sucked under the communist system no matter where it's been imposed.

    BTW I collect political items from 1824 to the present. If there is anything you would like to see for a given presidential candidate, the chances are high that I will have something. I have all of the major candidates and a fair number of the third party contestants.
     
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    Do you think GOP can win another national election without getting 40%+ Hispanic vote?
     
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    Apparently they did if they removed the barriers and let them right in.
     
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    Oh for sure bruh. I'm sure every conspiracy theory you believe in is absolute truth. LOL
     
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    I concentrate on independents. Race, gender, all that good stuff is already included in the three main groups, Republicans, Democrats, independents. Can the Republicans win a national election without winning independents, no they can’t?


    Back to Hispanics, here’s the Hispanic vote breakdown through 2012


    https://www.pewresearch.org/hispanic/2012/11/07/latino-voters-in-the-2012-election/


    In 2016 Trump received 28% of the Hispanic vote, in 2020, Trump received 32%. In the 2022 midterms, Republican congressional candidates received 39% of the Hispanic vote. 45% of Hispanic men voted Republican vs. 33% of Hispanic women which follows the overall gender vote of 56% of men voting Republican, 45% of women voting republican. Which carries over to blacks also, 17% of black men voted republican in 2022 vs 10% of black women. There’s definitely a gender gap.


    Sort of a tangent there. But for me, Gallup asked this question, In politics, as of today, do you consider yourself a Republican, a Democrat or an independent? 30% say they’re Democrats, 27% say Republican, 40% independents. My answer is regardless of racial, gender, anything else, the bottom line is Republicans must win independents or lose the election. Democrats just must keep it close within say 5 points. You’re 40% of Hispanics voting Republican is probably is correct. But Hispanics are becoming more Republican. There’s 13 Republican Hispanic congressmen and 3 Republican Hispanic senators today.
     
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    Video evidence is a "conspiracy theory" now??? hahahahahahahahahaha :roflol::roflol::roflol::roflol::roflol::roflol::roflol:
     
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    I am not going to go through the thread now, but I will point this out. The GOP, as a party, will not nominate him as their nominee if he decides to run. So, there is nothing to fear by Democrats with Sen. Tim Scott.

    Second, I don't think he will run given that "pledge" being given.
     
  13. Jack Hays

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    We shall see.
     
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    Scott seems like a reasonable person. Which of course makes him unelectable by the right.
    The one thing that sticks in my craw with him though is that he continuously brings up the terrible racism that he and his family grew up with and then turns around and claims that the US is not a racist country.
    He's going to have to tell me what year the US became a non racist country and also look me in the eyes and explain how the terrible racism he and his family suffered Just 40 years ago, has no repercussion on how blacks fare in today's society. Good for him for having overcome such obstacles in his life, not understanding that others may not have is however less laudable.
     
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    To be fair, that's the song he has to sing if he wants any kind of real support from the right. Since he's black, no matter how he conducts himself in the public eye and no matter what his politics, there will be distrust from some on the right that underneath the public persona he might have an axe to grind. Whether that's racism or just a byproduct of our cynical political climate, I'm not sure. So he's got to shoot that down right from the start and thread the needle. He can't alienate potential black voters by getting up on stage and pretending racism isn't an issue at all, and he can't alienate white voters by getting up on stage and sounding like he might have some bitterness. Essentially he's got to spoon feed his potential voters some reality. Yes, racism still exists, but no, not every situation that a minority gets their feelings hurt or something bad or unlucky happens is a direct result of it.
     
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    It is not the same thing to say that individuals have experienced racism and the US is a racist country.
     
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    If the GOP ever tires of anger wars, Tim Scott could have a shot in 2024

    Opinion by Jim Geraghty

    If you perceive the Republican Party and the “MAGA movement” as indistinguishable, then, yes, cheerful, optimistic Sen. Tim Scott of South Carolina seems hopelessly out of step with the rest of his party. But there’s a reason why, in recent weeks, he has appeared to be laying the groundwork for a 2024 presidential bid. He might not be quite the GOP no-hoper that many assume.

    Last summer, Scott published “America, a Redemption Story: Choosing Hope, Creating Unity,” a combination memoir and campaign pitch. Toward the end, he writes: “By the time this book releases, a major election year will be on the horizon. I want you to envision it with me for a moment. On your social media feeds, during your family get-togethers, when you catch up with your friends from way back when — are you going to sow hate or are you going to sow love? When you interact with people who believe differently than you do, how will you treat them?”

    Given what’s sown on social media feeds during election seasons, Scott is probably, as Johnny Lee sang, lookin’ for love in all the wrong places, at least online.

    But primary voters’ appetite for rage might not be infinite in 2024. Even the angriest registered Republicans can see that many GOP candidates who reflected their fury — including Arizona gubernatorial candidate Kari Lake and Senate candidate Blake Masters; New Hampshire Senate candidate Don Bolduc; and Michigan gubernatorial candidate Tudor Dixon — lost races that had at times looked winnable. Yet such smiling, allegedly milquetoast Republican governors as Ohio’s Mike DeWine, Iowa’s Kim Reynolds and New Hampshire’s Chris Sununu cruised to reelection. . . . .
     
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    If Scott emerges as a leading contender for the GOP nomination, Democrats can rely on their secret weapon to vilify him - or any other prospective Republican nominee for that matter.

    The rampant authoritarianism in the GOP, once the party of libertarian idealism, will run afoul of freedom-loving Americans, no matter whom they nominate.

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    ...."We's watchin' yer 'private' mail, Lady!"
     
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    We shall see.
     
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    Every potential Republican candidate for the presidential nomination realizes that running against Trump is like a chess game with a pigeon.

    He'll knock over the pieces, sh¡t on the board, and strut around as if he won.
     
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    Again, we shall see.
     
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    In my opinion.......
    the Democrats would tremble IF The Woody Harrelson were to begin a campaign to become Vice President Under Mr. Eric Trump!!!!!!!!!!!

    "A film devoid of conflict is boring/" (R. W.)


    President Donald J. Trump needs to make this campaign interesting.......

    and his son rising up against him.......

    at least "artistically" ..... would give many Democrats something like a premature cardiac arrest!!!!!


    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...people-on-earth.608615/page-2#post-1074096688

    Is Woody Harrelson one of the most courageous and wise famous people on earth??








    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...the-middle-east.599598/page-3#post-1074100710
     
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    If I were a voter, I would vote for him. He has common sense, a rare characteristic among politicians. And he is a self made man.
     
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    The winning ticket for Trump is : Wthdraw as the Republican candidate and run as an Independent. Tim Scott gets the Republican nomination and Biden runs as the Democrat. What would really be a blessing is AOC runs as a independent also.
     
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    Tim Scott is no Ben Carson. Tim Scott is a Senator of one of the most past racist states in the Union. It's no Hawaii, New York or California but I believe he could win the majority of the south and northern states Michigan,Ohio, Pennsylvania and Illinois.
     

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