The State of California’s ‘State of Jefferson’

…Many of those who signed it technically live in California but symbolically live in another state entirely.

California’s rural far north, sometimes styling itself as the “State of Jefferson,” has long viewed itself as a land apart. Its dozen or so counties, mostly north and east of Sacramento, voted for President Donald Trump in 2016 and 2020.

In Shasta, Lassen, Modoc, Siskiyou and other State of Jefferson-friendly counties, more than one in six voters signed the petition to recall Newsom, according to the Secretary of State’s data. And, as The Sacramento Bee and The Los Angeles Times have reported, members of a Shasta County militia have for months been threatening violence over the governor’s pandemic health restrictions…

… in a nonbinding but revealing election, five counties in eastern Oregon endorsed a plan to secede from the liberal-leaning parts of their state and take a chunk of the State of Jefferson with them. The master plan: to become part of Idaho and then add all or parts of Siskiyou, Shasta, Tehama, Del Norte, Modoc and Lassen Counties on the California side of Oregon’s southern border.

“Those of us in rural Oregon are written off,” Mike McCarter, the 74-year-old retiree leading the secession drive, told our colleague Kirk Johnson.

McCarter, who bought a gun club in retirement and now helps people get their concealed-carry permits, said eastern Oregon and California’s northern border counties had more in common with conservative Idaho than with the more liberal majorities of their states. “We just want to come alongside them and bolster the conservative support,” he said…








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The attitudes of people living in Jefferson and southern/eastern Oregon residents is totally different from the big urban areas of the states. The Jefferson effort dates to pre WWII and since 1990 has been more energized. Now rural Oregon is feeling likewise.

 

Recent court cases did t work out so Jefferson is in hiatus now. The efforts have been defying lockdowns and mandates, 2A sanctuaries, and also the recall Newscum effort. We are waiting for democrats to try to bring DC or PR unto the union as a state and get our statehood as part of an electoral college and senate compromise to bring in a democrat state. The Greater Idaho is still a good idea for the 5 counties now talked about from Ca. Siskiyou, Modoc, Lassen, Shasta, Tehama. The rest of Jefferson would still make a state bigger than Nebraska in size and population.

 

You sure that Idaho wants to be associated with 5 of the poorest counties in California?
No maritime ports. Not very good agriculture compared to the rest of the state. No large Universities or Research Centers. No Big Tech
Centers that helped make California one of the largest economies in the world. No tourist centers. No beaches. No major airports.
But whatever ... Mississippi is tired of being the bottom of the barrel, so go for it.

 

We are not poor. Particularly when cost of living is figured into the equation. There’s no big anything here as the five counties combine for 325,000 population with one one city over 20k population. Our agriculture is good enough and the population here would not overwhelm actual Idaho and per capita income, we’d fit right in with them. We have plentiful natural resources, forests, mountains, rivers, lakes, parks, sandy beaches, recreation, tourism here. We also sit on a pair of major transportation arteries, with Union Pacific and I-5. We have a regional airport with flights to LA, Burbank, San Francisco, Seattle, and Denver next year. We have tech, medical, engineering companies here and some industry. As to a port, Coos Bay will have to do. Here’s refuting our supposed poverty.

https://www.visitcalifornia.com/places-to-visit/redding/

https://online.pubhtml5.com/dsfo/qaiz/#p=1

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1F2zF7cMFa0dcBMkWkzX1PbwRWN38jlCD/view

https://milkeninstitute.org/sites/default/files/2022-03/Best-Performing Cities US 2022.pdf

Notice above that one Oregon and one Ca. Small city is tier 1 along with several in Idaho and they’re one large city. Not poor.

https://www.shastaedc.org/

Again. The stats and demographics say not poor.


https://www.caculturaldistricts.org/redding


About the Redding Cultural District
Redding Cultural District’s is located 160 miles north of Sacramento and includes three majestic mountain ranges as a backdrop. World-class attractions – located at the bend in the Sacramento River – connect to its historic downtown via the Sundial and Diestelhorst bridges. Explore on foot or on a bicycle. Cultural and artistic activities range widely, from food cultivation and dining, music production and consumption, microbrewing and wine tasting to theater, dance, cycling, scholarship and education, art, and exploration of nature.

Nearly 70 public arts sites and more than 50 restaurants, bars, and coffee shops can be found. Regional, national, and international performing artists frequent the historic Cascade Theatre and Redding Civic Auditorium, while the Carter House Gallery, Old City Hall and Turtle Bay feature art and cultural installations. The Sundial Bridge – a glass art walkway across the river – is one of the largest working sundials in the world. The Sundial experience gives visitors a connection to nature, public art, trails, Wintu history, McConnell Arboretum & Botanical Gardens, Redding Rodeo, and parks along the river – featuring a diversion dam, skate park, performing spaces, and Diestelhorst Landing.

District Region: Shasta Cascade
California’s northeast corner is an outdoor-lover’s paradise, with safe-to-explore volcanoes, hushed forests, and trout-filled rivers. This is the place for blue-ribbon fishing, houseboats anchored in cool lakes, countless campgrounds, and inviting trails for hiking and mountain biking. All this, plus friendly towns and inviting rural farms in fertile lands near the Upper Sacramento River.







In other words Idaho sees we are more like them than we are the rest of Californication

 

I’d love to see cali shrink.

 

Me too! Just enough so that I can no longer be part of it without myself moving! Jefferson woukd involve much of the 1st, 3rd, and 4th congressional districts while Greater Idaho
would affect almost half of the 1st district. We did at least shrink by one democrat district starting next year.

 

It would be a good way for those counties to realize what the state of California does for them.

 

If we don't get government debt in check and move toward personal liberty soon, there will be much more than Jefferson in play. It won't be pretty, either.

 

Interesting that this New York Times news article was deemed unacceptable as news by someone…The original NYT identical article was behind a paywall but this is a news report from them about rural Oregon and California.
New York Times news articles as opinion, who’d have thunk it?

 

You mean holding is in bondage as an occupation force trying to tell us how to live? Not interested.

 

I mean paying to keep roads and infrastructure that service places that lack the tax base to keep them going on their own.

 

Most people move from an area they don't like. If CA is so bad why do you stay?

 

They’ve been at this for 170 years with various “Jefferson” incarnations, like creating a haven for slavery during the Civil War.

I chalk it up to isolation. They’ve come up with some odd ones.

 

With our own state and our own regulatory and tax structure we could keep them in place and improve upon them. We could also do so as part of the state of Idaho. The difference is that we’d be free and our rural needs and interests would be met. Not being part of the worst state in the whole country is the best part. The people of rural Oregon and Washington have similar issues with their state regimes.

 

I don't pretend to know the economy of that area. Maybe it would be fine. I guess there is only one way to find out.

 

I have always found these folks to be a bit nutty. I see the flags and signs on occasion, but every time they pop up it is advocating for some odd secession from something.

 

It is relatively poor. A lot of former logging areas, not much real industry of sorts. A lot of generational ranching. A lot of weed farmers. A lot of meth.

 

The truth woukd be good for you. It was Los Angeles and the south part of the state that was pro slavery to the end of the civil war. We are not isolated. Interstate 5 runs north and south through the entire area. We are simply different. We identify with rural people of other states nearby and states like Idaho, Utah, Texas, Nebraska far more than with coastal urban areas here.

 

You see it on my icon here where ever I comment. It is for secession from California to become the 51st state of the union. Nothing odd about it except to an urban liberal.

 

Oh. I am "urban"?

And it is odd. It is a bunch of bored people with little to do other than whine about nonexistent persecution.

 

“After Oregon was incorporated as a state in 1859, miners in the area refused allegiance to either state government and declined to pay taxes. During the Civil War settlers were interested in creating a northern haven for slavery, but fortunately this failed.”

It’s part of “Jefferson” history.

 

Becoming a new state would be problematic in terms of over-representation in the senate. Rural people already have excess power in the senate. But becoming a part of Idaho could make sense. It would be an odd zigzag shape, but oh well.

 

And who are you to sit in judgement over us and tell us how we should feel or think or what to do? We have our careers and lives up here and love the great outdoors, to hunt, go fishing, and go to rodeos. We love our guns and we like going to mountains and lakes to ski and rivers to raft, fish, and swim. We like mountain biking and hiking trails to great sights like mountains, lakes, water falls, other natural beauty. We love our country music, line dancing, six shooters, old classical cars, populist conservatives, rodeos, and our favorite gun, the AR-15. We make a big spectacular show of Christmas and the 4th of July. All that sounds much more like Idaho than California.

 

The Jefferson thing would be part of a senate and electoral compromise with Democrats to trade for Puerto Rico becoming a state. One urban democrat state for one rural Republican state.The greater Idaho thing would not affect the senate at all or the House partisan make up as two Republican Oregon reps would be two Idaho Republican reps adding the small part of California and it’s 325,000 pop. to their districts.

 

Note.

I did not tell you to feel one way or the other. I was commenting on the movement.

If liking country music, that horrific screeching and pop-ish nonsense it has become, is a requirement for membership in your society, then I am definitely out.

Now I own an AR, a Windham Weaponry, but it is far from my favorite. My favorite is a Marlin 336. It just works. nothing fancy like those Jeffersonian cowboys.