The theory that some people get placebos instead of the vaccine

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  1. Betamax101

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    Missing something? Sheesh, it's like arguing with a junior school kid!

    The page you cited has a link to JUST the abstract, the abstract links to the full study and they are the same abstract! No wonder you never bother checking anything if this confuses you.

    And still you are denying or evading the pure deception of your garbage and also evading just above where you cluelessly quoted a graph from the page with the deceptive list.

    You are a troll, no wonder most people avoid you, you have absolutely no idea what you are doing except when it concerns evasion and admitting your constant screw-ups and acknowledging your gullibility for batshit.

    Answer this "truther":

    Cause of death first 10 on this pathetic list!
    1. First guy is too old and died of choking in a restaurant!
    2. No age, no name, no record, no cause of death!
    3. This man died after a long term battle with Multiple Myeloma, not SCD! Link here.
    4. This guy is 40 and too old for comparison. No cause of death!
    5. No cause of death found.
    6. This boy was 10 and too young for comparison. He died of a seizure and had a history of epilepsy!
    7. Died of a pulmonary embolism, NOTHING to do with the heart or SCD!
    8. Unnamed. Died of a suspected heart attack, vaccination status not established!
    9. Seizure related, nothing to do with SCD, he suspected the seizure was brought about by his fall.
    10. Suicide!
    Conclusion 1 probable SCD out of the first 10 in the list and that was a youngster with no vaccination status established!

    See what I did? I just destroyed this big pile of steaming horseshit, yet this is all over the internet on one batshit site after another. It is the basis for the bullshit film you spammed about sudden deaths. Now what, show me anywhere where you even as much as thought about any damn "scientific method" that you spam about.
     
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    This wouldn't be enough to explain the huge increase in deaths that coincided with the vaccine rollout.
    https://expose-news.com/2023/01/05/pfizergate-disaster-excess-deaths-mortality-rates/
    https://expose-news.com/author/the-expose/

    Your wording didn't make that clear. You sounded like you thought what I posted was the abstract.

    Yes, I clicked on both of those links and read the info and watched the video.
    https://www.opindia.com/2021/11/mrn...e-possibility-of-coronary-diseases-study/amp/
    https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/abs/10.1161/circ.144.suppl_1.10712?s=09

    So if there are a few flaws in the study, that wouldn't be enough to explain the huge increase in deaths that coincided with the vaccine rollout.


    Tell us what you think the real statistics probably are.
     
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    There was no large increase in deaths and you are trolling. I just demonstrated how VERY deceptive your sources are and you just basically damn well ignored it.

    My wording was perfectly clear, you appear lost in a world of batshit, you DID post a link that referenced just the abstract and I proved that it was deliberate:

    The age range was wrong, no vaccine status established, none of them were SCD, the clown deliberately avoided all that plus the clear paragraph showing it was not even close to a full total! His own list is a complete crock of lies and deceit. He pays no heed to the much more in-depth reporting system online and that it covers everything.

    Are you actually really this dishonest? "A few flaws "!?

    My god the whole damn thing is an exercise in complete deception and misinformation. You did absolutely nothing to check any of it. You dare, ever, to suggest you are a "truth seeker" or quote the bullshit about the "scientific method"!

    Moronic circular reasoning or are you truly lost in batshit that much that you still believe the hogwash you suck up? Didn't that 100% dismantling of your source make you even wonder?

    For what! You mean you have more crap you want help with? How about YOU look at the "alternative" the same way I just showed you! Or just logoff and get a life.
     
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    This is from a hotlink...
    https://stats.oecd.org/index.aspx?queryid=104676

    ...in this article.
    https://expose-news.com/2022/12/30/covid-vaccine-sudden-deaths-ade-vaed-aids/

    Show us your sources. We can figure out what the truth is.

    You should give a complete argument. Do you think the increase shown in this graph is bogus?
    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...-of-the-vaccine.591094/page-3#post-1073952152

    Should the collapse and death rates be what the graph says in January of 2021 all the way to November of 2022? Can you link to a graph that you consider to be legitimate? You're being vague now.


    The viewers can decide for themselves.
    https://goodsciencing.com/

    https://goodsciencing.com/covid/if-you-have-been-vaccinated/
     
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    There really is something wrong with you. I quite clearly showed in every way possible that the data used in that damn graph is complete bullshit. You have to be trolling or are just extremely short on intelligence.
    Vague? You utter troll. Again you refer to the damn graph? From THIS data!
    • First guy is too old and died of choking in a restaurant!
    • No age, no name, no record, no cause of death!
    • This man died after a long term battle with Multiple Myeloma, not SCD! Link here.
    • This guy is 40 and too old for comparison. No cause of death!
    • No cause of death found.
    • This boy was 10 and too young for comparison. He died of a seizure and had a history of epilepsy!
    • Died of a pulmonary embolism, NOTHING to do with the heart or SCD!
    • Unnamed. Died of a suspected heart attack, vaccination status not established!
    • Seizure related, nothing to do with SCD, he suspected the seizure was brought about by his fall. DIDN'T EVEN DIE!
    • Suicide!

    You give me a link. In this link is a list - first 20 invalid ages compared - first 10, none related to SCD. Then you put up your lying-ass link as though nothing had happened and say the viewers can decide? You are a troll.
     
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    You're confusing the two issues. Those data are why you think the people who are said to have died because they'd taken the vaccine really died of something else. I'm asking what you think a real graph of deaths that occurred between January of 2021 and November of 2022 would look like. If you don't have a source to which you can link, give your estimation.
     
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    I'm not confusing anything. I'm not, firstly, relying on proven misinformation for my source and secondly, not then assuming any other batshit figures have merit. If you are so locked in to your crazy beliefs with no possibility of understanding how crazy they are, you need to logoff and listen to your sister because you are a time wasting troll.

    The figures for deaths are nothing to do with any vaccine, they are from a damn pandemic that killed millions and what stupidity assumes anyone could possibly "estimate" this! Based on what? Batshit misinformation, then there's your problem.

    Number of deaths per year, World (ourworldindata.org)
     
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    Useless troll is useless. The upward trend began with the pandemic, the downward trend began with vaccination roll-out! The table has numerous downloads, instead of being a troll, show your bullshit scientific method. The graph shows this by placing the cursor on the line.

    You really are clueless or extremely dishonest. Your pathetic graph from your pathetic source uses pathetic error-strewn data, the first 10 have nothing to do with anything you claim!

    • First guy is too old and died of choking in a restaurant!
    • No age, no name, no record, no cause of death!
    • This man died after a long term battle with Multiple Myeloma, not SCD! Link here.
    • This guy is 40 and too old for comparison. No cause of death!
    • No cause of death found.
    • This boy was 10 and too young for comparison. He died of a seizure and had a history of epilepsy!
    • Died of a pulmonary embolism, NOTHING to do with the heart or SCD!
    • Unnamed. Died of a suspected heart attack, vaccination status not established!
    • Seizure related, nothing to do with SCD, he suspected the seizure was brought about by his fall. DIDN'T EVEN DIE!
    • Suicide!


    See graph already given to you, engage brain. According to your pathetic source why do you still use it when it is clearly bullshit misinformation? You are clearly acting dishonestly.

    Answer that, next post.
     
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    Unless they're making up fake cases, this shows that the average number of athletes dying increased abruptly at the time of the vaccine rollout.
    https://goodsciencing.com/covid/athletes-suffer-cardiac-arrest-die-after-covid-shot/
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    In response to their pronouncement, here is a non-exhaustive and continuously growing list of mainly young athletes who had major medical issues in 2021/2022 after receiving one or more COVID vaccines. Initially, many of these were not reported. We know that many people were told not to tell anyone about their adverse reactions and the media was not reporting them. They started happening and ramping up after the first COVID vaccinations. The mainstream media still are not reporting most, but sports news cannot ignore the fact that soccer players and other stars collapse in the middle of a game due to a sudden cardiac arrest. Many of those die – more than 50%.
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    More people are writing to tell us that in many cases, we didn’t mention a person’s vaccination status. There is a good reason for that. None of the clubs want to reveal this information. None of their sponsors want to reveal it. The players have been told not to reveal it. Most of their relatives will not mention it. None of the media are asking this question. So what should we do? Stop this now? No, we will collect as much information as we can, while it is still available, because eventually, more information will come out, and we will be here to put it together. Will it mean anything? We don’t know. What we do know is that there is a concerted world-wide effort to make this information go away, so that fact alone tells us it must be collected, investigated and saved so other researchers can look at it to see if there are any useful patterns.
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    The above shows that in prior years, there were 66 deaths per year, but there have been 89 reported in January 2022, so far.
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    You seem to be reading that list of case histories with a bias. Those ten points you make seem to come from mainstream articles which will not mention any connection with the vaccine if they can avoid it. They will consciously try to mislead people into thinking there's no connection even if they know there is. You're still basing your opinions on what the mainstream media say. Go back and look at this info again...
    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...at-the-lies-furiously.583345/#post-1072353798

    ...and please match those ten comments you made about the cases on the list to which they correspònd. You only did that with the third one.

    The point is that the vaccine caused a lot of problems and the press only mentions the problems. They don't mention that they were caused by the vaccine. Of course there were athletes dying before the vaccine rollout so some of those deaths were not covid-related. We're not in a position to be able to track down and and speak to the friends and relatives of the dead athletes so it's pretty much impossible to figure out what the exact percentages are but the point is that the death rate of young athletes went up significantly at about the time of the rollout.

    Here's some related stuff you should check out. It's not just athletes.

    Dr. Peter McCullough & Dr. Aseem Malhotra Discuss The Extraordinary Harm Caused By COVID-19 Vaccines
    https://rumble.com/v21dicq-dr.-pete...malhotra-discuss-the-extraordinary-harm-.html

    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...the-worlds-population.602347/#post-1073954853

    WARNING !!! GRAPHIC IMAGES !!! GLOBAL DEPOPULATION - ADULT DEATH SYNDROME
    https://odysee.com/@EmpireTV:1/WARN...ADULT-DEATH-SYNDROME:c?src=embed&t=142.919927
     
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    And the troll puts up the same list with no rebuttal. I just went through the first 10 and what does he do, ignores this and comes out with batshit about the reports all being from mainstream.

    This, if ever any proof was needed,shows profound dishonesty. There is simply no debating a person with no integrity or capacity to be objective. He supplements his campaign of lies and misinformation with more batshit links that he failed at every step to verify.

    An honest person would look at the first 50 to rebut 9 out of 10 failures in the first 10! A truth seeker would triple check this.

    The troll does neither, never has and never will.
     
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    A total lie. I showed how one study was ages 12-35, exclusively SCD 1hr after onset, from a narrow range of sources - compared to the lying source which used the entire internet, a ridiculous number with no age or completely out of date range, ZERO confirmation of vaccine status and most important of all, from the first 10 only 1 potentially could be attributed to SCD! What did this troll do?

    His next post was a graph using the same lying source data! He then suggested that "there were a few flaws" in the study! He also continues to use as his source a disgusting misinformation site called "goodsciencing" - disgusting irony given their total deception.
    "The GoodSciencing.com team has comprehensive list of athletes who have collapsed and/or died since January 2021, a month after the first Covid-19 injection was administered to the general public."

    So, I've checked athletes 1 to 10 here are athletes 11 to 20:

    • Wrestler (35) died of suspected heart attack
    • Aged 43 out of range and no cause of death shown, ran numerous cancer-funding races.
    • Aged 52 out of range, announces he had a blood clot, didn't die!
    • Handball player - passed away in "an incomprehensible way. It’s so unreal and pointless." No cause given but certainly not SCD!
    • Rugby player (large build!) had a heart attack on the field. "Clogged arteries were removed and stents placed." Did not die!
    • Cricketer aged 40 out of range, died of heart attack, vaccination status not established!"
    • Referee, 60 years old! No cause of death!
    • Goalkeeper, 64 years old! Died of brain aneurysm!
    • Soccer player collapsed due to dehydration and fasting! Did not die!
    • Soccer player age withheld, but played for "the old men's team" in referenced article! No cause of death.

    So there we have it, another 10 on this shameful bullshit list - 3 didn't die, 1 clearly had heart disease and a lot of vague crap. ZERO vaccination status established.
     
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    https://goodsciencing.com/covid/athletes-suffer-cardiac-arrest-die-after-covid-shot/

    Please match the next ten too.


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    More related info...

    https://newstarget.com/2022-06-08-heart-disease-main-cause-death-not-covid.html
    https://naturalnews.com/2021-08-30-every-death-caused-by-covid-vaccines-will-be-blamed-on-covid.html
     
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    You are utterly contemptible. I have now done your first 20 links and shown how disgracefully deceptive they are and you have the gall to troll your link again.

    There's something wrong with you.

    No troll, you do it. You should have done it in the first place.

    And more batshit links, zero analyses, no correlation established - nothing!
     
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    https://healthfeedback.org/claimrev...nated-contrary-to-claims-by-peter-mccullough/

    Crank behaviour has consequences:
    https://www.techarp.com/science/dr-peter-mccullough-decertified/

    Please explain what you are doing. You aren't debating, you are defending your batshit at all costs! Crazy behaviour, where you ignore completely where your crappy deceptive data is exposed. How many years down the line when people are still just fine, not dead, will you actually logoff and shut the hell up!?
     
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    Autopsies confirm: Covid-19 vaccine causes fatal heart inflammation or “Sudden Adult Death Syndrome”
    https://vaccinedamage.news/2022-12-...ccine-causes-sudden-adult-death-syndrome.html
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    Medical examiners from Germany conducted autopsies on thirty-five individuals who died within twenty days after taking a second dose of the covid-19 mRNA vaccine (Comirnaty & Spikevax). They concluded that ten of the fatalities were clearly not due to the vaccine, due to evidence of drug overdose. The majority of the fatalities (71%) presented vascular damage that is specific to vaccine injuries, including rapid heart failure, vascular aneurysm, pulmonary embolism, myocardial infarction, fatal stroke, and vaccine-induced thrombotic thrombocytopenia.
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    Of course there are going to be cases that are not vaccine-related. I said that in post #85.

    You seem to have the attitude that finding a few such cases means that no cases are vaccine-related. You seem to have a foregone conclusion. You're not using the scientific method*.

    I might as well just post stuff for the viewers to see.
    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...false-positives.592809/page-2#post-1073956921


    *
    https://www.google.com/search?q=sci...12j0i512l4.8038j0j15&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
     
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    The major problem with this is that a batshit assumption is being made. It has the implied conclusion that this number should be inflated somehow when this is basically a collection of all related deaths occurring. It then further states this in the report:
    "Regarding the potential underlying pathogenesis of (epi-)myocarditis, our findings allow some considerations. Besides pneumonia, myocarditis is another manifestation reported during SARS-CoV-2-infection [24]. "

    None of the patients have had any infection of covid-19 checked before vaccination.

    And also covid-19 related. This ambiguity contributes to the very small number of myocarditis cases actually reported!

    No troll, I check things, you do not.

    Posting this to deliberately bait me, when everyone who reads your batshit trolling knows you don't even know what that means.

    I posted this:
    Let's look at the sporting industry and the fake news surrounding the number of on field illnesses, the MLB/NBA continues as normal, that is a quite considerable number of famous people, Soccer, Football, Athletics, events such as the World Cup of cricket and soccer, the TV industries all continue, the Movie industry all around the world. Where are all the people dying like the bullshit fake news suggested!?

    Received in response a bullshit study and completely destroyed it here:

    Using a real scientific method!

    Then since that, the troll has repeatedly used the same source and denied everything. I concluded with this:

    See what I did? I just destroyed this big pile of steaming horseshit, yet this is all over the internet on one batshit site after another. It is the basis for the bullshit film you spammed about sudden deaths. Now what, show me anywhere where you even as much as thought about any damn "scientific method" that you spam about.
     
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    Tell us how you checked to see if any of these deaths were vaccine-related.
    https://goodsciencing.com/covid/athletes-suffer-cardiac-arrest-die-after-covid-shot/

    Did you look at what the mainstream media* said? In order to check them satisfactorily one would have to travel to the part of the world where each of them lived and talk to family members to find out whether they'd been vaccinated and if they'd in fact been vaccinated, how soon afterward they died.

    The point being made is that the death rate of young athletes and people in general started to go up at about the time of the vaccine rollout and that would make an objective person suspicious.

    Look at the info at the bottom of post #85.
    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...-of-the-vaccine.591094/page-4#post-1073955391

    I also posted this link in post #79.
    https://stats.oecd.org/index.aspx?queryid=104676

    (post #79)
    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...-of-the-vaccine.591094/page-4#post-1073953491

    Check this out too.

    Autopsies confirm: Covid-19 vaccine causes fatal heart inflammation or “Sudden Adult Death Syndrome”
    https://vaccinedamage.news/2022-12-...ccine-causes-sudden-adult-death-syndrome.html


    *
    http://politicalforum.com/index.php...at-the-lies-furiously.583345/#post-1072353798
     
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    I missed the edit window

    This is from a post on another thread*.

    RFK, Jr.: Ed Dowd’s New Book Proves an Undeniable and Urgent Reality
    https://childrenshealthdefense.org/...tent&eId=86d58e34-1d68-4209-96d0-93755f62c2d5


    From the hotlinks in the article...
    Must-Read Book Investigates 40% Increase in Deaths Among Healthy, Young People in 2021
    https://childrenshealthdefense.org/...use-unknown-book-deaths-healthy-young-people/

    Diamond Mine of Data? Insurance Companies Report 40% Increase in Premature Non-COVID Deaths
    https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/insurance-companies-report-increase-premature-deaths/



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    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...es-deadly-blood-clots.606446/#post-1073926789
     
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    Unless you contact them or their relatives directly, this cannot be established. I am not the one assuming they had been vaccinated!

    Question: Where did your source get their information from?

    The point being made has been called into serious question by:
    • The list being compared to is age limited and the claim is out of range on a massive number of people.
    • The list being compared to is isolated to 8 journal sources and the claim uses the entire internet.
    • The list being compared to is isolated to SCD with a 1hr time window and the claim is ridiculously inaccurate on 90% of the examined entries!

    Why? It has your usual see batshit post batshit, perform zero verification.

    Spam already addressed.
     
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    You should logoff and do something more productive then.

    Uses the same bullshit sources as the "Died Suddenly" movie.


    A complete distortion of causality! The death rate was from Covid-19. The insurers talk about pre-pandemic not the damn vaccine rollout!
     
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    You can tap dance around this info and play dumb about it but most of the viewers here are probably looking at it.

    https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/insurance-companies-report-increase-premature-deaths/
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    Surging non-COVID-related hospital admissions

    Around the country, hospitals are reporting increased admissions for serious non-COVID-related illnesses that just happen to match up to the types of adverse events reported to the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) following COVID vaccination.

    In fact, at a different Indiana news conference in December, the state’s chief medical officer reported Indiana is experiencing its highest hospitalization rate in five years.

    While claiming not to have a breakdown of causes, an Indiana hospital association official noted that the majority of intensive care patients are in the hospital for illnesses and conditions having nothing to do with COVID.

    In a September study described as “narrative-shattering,” Harvard, Tufts and Veterans Affairs researchers reported that approximately half of hospitalized patients “showing up on COVID-data dashboards in 2021” had likely been admitted “for another reason entirely.”

    In Ventura County, California, which is witnessing a startling spike in non-COVID-related hospitalizations, nurse whistleblowers argue the vaccines should be one of the first explanations considered. Why else, they ask, would otherwise healthy adults be showing up in droves with brain bleeds, heart attacks, autoimmune issues and lung abnormalities?

    Autopsies of individuals who died following COVID vaccination reveal shocking pathological alterations most frequently affecting the heart and lungs but also the brain and other organs.
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    https://childrenshealthdefense.org/...use-unknown-book-deaths-healthy-young-people/
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    OneAmerica’s CEO publicly disclosed that during the third and fourth quarters of 2021, deaths among people of working age (18-64) occurred at a rate that was 40% higher than before the pandemic.

    The majority of those deaths were not attributed to COVID-19.
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