The truth about Israel's secret nuclear arsenal

Discussion in 'Nuclear, Chemical & Bio Weapons' started by H.R.A., Feb 2, 2014.

  1. snakestretcher

    snakestretcher Banned

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    Which is why Israel maintains an ambiguous position of neither confirming nor denying their existence. Why? Don't ask me.
     
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    Yeah, sure. It seems that those 2053 nuclear tests commited since 1945 were....just for the lulz or to make several fancy pics for Insagram. But yeah, you don't need to test a nuke like they do with cars, planes, razors, microwave ovens, blenders, PCs e.t.c. These things are way more complicated after all.

    [/sarcasm mode off]

    Still wondering why Israel havn't tested one of those nukes they have... Is there a single reason why wouldn't they? Oh yeah...if they don't have them, I guess.
     
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    Dutch Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    As in a token gesture? Hard not to. But how does it relates to a Palestinians, happy to live in Israel and refusing to emigrate to some Arab country, where they undoubtedly will be happier, at least spiritually?
     
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    snakestretcher Banned

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    Well, rather than indulge yourself in rhetorical guesswork perhaps you could tell us which of these deliriously happy (and no doubt grateful to their altruistic hosts), Arabs you have spoken to.
     
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    Dutch Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    And where would you have them explode it? Negev? Imagine the stink you get from all the surrounding Arab countries... and what about Bedouins? No... if Israel ever use one if it's nukes, it will be out of desperation for survival, on the brink of Israel's destruction. Not before that.

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    LoL, ever heard of Palestinian, emigrating out of Israel? Neither have I :)
     
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    The first 'test' of the US U-235 bomb was over Hiroshima.
     
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    Dutch Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Google Trinity
     
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    Don't need to. Trinity was a Plutonium implosion bomb. Totally different design and much more difficult to build. That's why the first was used for a test.
     
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    Space, ocean.
    I would like to hear a proper explanation for that. Because that is completelly illogical. Testing a bomb effectively proves your supermacy over non-nuclear countries. Testing a bomb would be the best detterance Israel might possibly have. But they havn't tested it. The only explanation is that they do not have the bomb.


    So? Still a test. Still might have failed. Taking into account low amounts of fission materials avaliable, US could not afford to test U-235 bomb other than in combat, otherwise Uranium bomb would be too late to the party. But still, that was a primitive gun-type bomb....not that much of a use in modern warfare. Little Boy would be too big to fit into any ballictic missiles avaliable to Israel a.t.m.
     
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    Regarding the first link: They've been saying Iran are on the verge of acquiring a nuclear weapon for years and years... Hell I remember in the middle 00's they were saying it.. It's called fear tactics.

    It is like the Y2K scare, but imagine if they then, after that date passed, they said there's going to be a Y2001 crash, a Y2002 crash etc.

    Anyway I will dismiss link one, as it's just your lying politicians and "intelligencence" agencies that have zero credibility. They said the same (*)(*)(*)(*) about Iraq and active WMD programs which turned out to be nonsense. Hell you even cite Obama! Get me a better source than Pinnocio.

    And things aren't automatically true just because "intelligence" agencies are cited. First, if a politician says this, intelligence may not actually say it, and second, if they do, they might not be right. Shall I note some CIA Intelligence fails for you? Like the Snowden airplane that got grounded, with no Snowden on it?

    As for the second link, it clearly cites only U-235 at 5%, and U-235 at 20%. Weapons grade uranium is FAR beyond this. For a decent bomb you want at least 80-90% if you're using U-235.

    And let's look at this from another angle. IF in the event the IAEA were to report the discovery of weapons grade uranium enrichment, this would have been the smoking gun. Iran would have been bombed to pieces by now.
     
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    So your claim that 'nuclear weapons ... need to be tested in order to prove their ability to function' is wrong.
     
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    No, it is not. Otherwise there would not be 2053 nuclear test commited.
     
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    This next link details the U.N. report.

    LINK...http://www.isisnucleariran.org/asset..._14Nov2013.pdf

    AboveAlpha
     
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    This next link details the U.N. report.

    LINK...http://www.isisnucleariran.org/asset..._14Nov2013.pdf

    AboveAlpha
     
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    No, because Israel won't allow them back in if they leave.
     
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    They study in Jordan, thousands cross the border each day.
     
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    Of course not. By definition, "emigrating" implies "giving up resident status, forever", and if they ever wanted to come back, they'd have to get in line like everyone else. What's your point?
     
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    If Israel said it had them wouldn't it then have to conform to certain international laws, also wouldn't this be an excuse for its enemies to acquire bombs for themselves? If on the other hand, Israel says it doesn't have them then wouldn't it become vulnerable to its enemies? Basically Israel is being smart, it neither admits having them or denies having them. :oldman:
     
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    The whole purpose of Islam is to keep increasing its population in order to become a majority, this way it can establish its own laws and turn 'infidel' lands into Islamic states. Frankly I don't know how they will get them to leave? :confuse:
     
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    Sorry about that.

    This link works.

    LINK....http://www.isisnucleariran.org/documents/iaea/

    AboveAlpha

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    Better link.

    Describes current more than 19,000 Iranian Centrifuges.

    LINK....http://www.isisnucleariran.org/documents/iaea/

    AboveAlpha
     
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    Nuclear Weapons no longer need to be detonated to be 100% certain they will work.

    However Nuclear Weapons need constant maintenance as whenever a Radioactive Fuel is being used and in a Fusion Device a Fission Reaction is the Trigger to produce the necessary conditions for Fusion of Hydrogen into Helium which generates far greater amounts of energy than a Fission Reaction....all Radioactive Materials have a specific....SHELF LIFE....as if too long a period passes in which Neutron Decay occurs a Nuclear Weapon might not go off at all.

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    In any case, for deterent purpose, Israel doesn't need high yield nukes. Tactical yield nuke is enough to keep its enemy at bay. No need of mirv or megatons blast when your enemy has only
    a couple of target of any worth. Also, by using artillery or attack planes you pretty much bypass MAD since no launch would be detected.
     
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    Your right.

    Plus it would be pretty F@#$&%# STUPID to use a 1 Megaton Nuke or even a 500 Kiloton Fusion device even 1000 miles away from Israel as the Radiation from such an explosive Thermonuclear Device could easily kill Millions of Israeli's.

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