The U.S. should never have been shutdown.

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  1. BasicHumanUnit2

    BasicHumanUnit2 Well-Known Member

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    The persistent elephant in the room is your insistence that the data is accurate.
    Every one of the places in your charts is led by bonified Trump haters.

    My statement (supported by links) stands. These graphs are meaningless because they represent numbers PROVEN inaccurate.
     
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    The traitors are the Deep State perps now under Durham's microscope.
     
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    You can Google the picture, then you may be more apt to believe it. Try portable morgues in NYC.
    Did you know the ship was prohibited from taking COVID cases for most of the time.
    Just another case of to little to late.
    And yes, Cuomo played Trump like a cheap fiddle over ventilators, but he got enough for his people.

    Trump has been behind the curve on this whole thing. I just saw him on TV today bragging about how many tests we have. He wants you to forget that back when they really mattered, they weren't there.
     
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    The tests have no value today then?
     
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    No. They still have value. It's just that it will be very difficult now to track all those people.
    And.... All the bodies under the curve won't come back.
     
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    Damn Chinese virus.
     
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    You appear to be on a psychotic rant. Sharpe objects all put away I hope?
     
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    Oh Bats.
     
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    NO, Flynn was guilty and pled guilty.
     
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    Still pure HOGWASH!
     
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    It seems to "working out" according to the majority of the Swedish population.
     
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    You're back to making up things again I see. You have provided no links showing that the TOTAL DEATHS from all causes is inaccurate

    Which bit of TOTAL DEATHS from all causes do you not understand? Post that Proof that every country is posting inaccurate TOTAL DEATH numbers, you know, other countries that are also showing a massive spike in TOTAL DEATHS.

    But anyway keep running away and stick to your worldwide conspiracy to defeat Trump.

    Which state and city do you live in?
     
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    Yeah, that's a completely dimwitted notion considering the global impact we are seeing from this virus. We're not seeing countries across the world shut down simply because there's a Republican in office in the United States. That's idiotic

    Heck, even the president himself isn't holding any rallies or fundraisers for the foreseeable future. Is he also in on this supposed worldwide conspiracy against Republicans and conservatives?
     
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    No he wasn't and that's why the charges were dropped. The most ironic part of this whole mess is hearing Obama worry about the rule of law. He had an agenda and it took precedence over established law and that's how Flynn became their focus. He was a perceived weak point to attack the new administration before it could get off the ground. First President I remember is Truman and I have never seen an ex President try so hard to remain a power figure. Usually they go home and will help the new guy in any way they can because they are both Americans who love this country. Obama loves the country he almost turned us into and he's still working on it.
     
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    Well, I'll accept "partially" dimwitted....but not "completely" dimwitted.

    Ok, so you are saying we can count on the left media to be fair and balanced.?

    I think people have died from this virus, but I also think the media is milking it for all they can in terms of damaging Trump.
    What I'm saying is that had a Democrat been in the White House, COVERAGE would have been MUCH different.
    The press would be oozing with praise for the Democrat and "how superbly" the crisis was being handled, not because it is, but because he/she is a Democrat.

    Case in point: For all his transgressions, Obama was painted as the Messiah by the press for 8 solid years.
     
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    The press were basically stenographers during Obama's time, it's why Biden isn't used to real questions.
     
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    BasicHumanUnit2 Well-Known Member

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    Exactly what am I "making up"?
    This is the LAST TIME I will post this link...because apparently not ONE of you lefties has ever heard of it even though it's everywhere.

    https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/the-problem-with-new-york-citys-covid-19-death-rate-estimates/
    Still, quantifying fatalities and the mortality rate remains elusive.
    Case in point: New York City. As the New York Times reported yesterday,
    Gotham’s Health Department abruptly added 3,700 victims to the COVID-19 death toll even though these decedents were not tested.


    As many as 15,000 may have been added since, without ANY covid 19 testing.

    All I'm saying is wait until the smoke clears and the cloaks are lifted later this year.
    Believing everything the lying left media tells you is as dimwitted as you claim I am.
     
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    Good point.
     
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    LoL.
    Exactly
     
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    Why have you posted a link to reported deaths from COVID which is NOT the same as total deaths from all causes. To make it simple for you, total deaths includes deaths from cancer, RTAs, murders, heart attacks, infectious diseases etc, you know, all causes added together, ie total deaths

    You have provided no links showing that the TOTAL DEATHS from ALL CAUSES is inaccurate.

    You've ran away once again from explaining away the increase in TOTAL DEATHS FROM ALL CAUSES happening in every country over the last few weeks compared to previous years for the same period.
     
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    I mean, the virus was killing 1,700 to 2,000 Americans every day, and this was happening while under lock down. It wasn't as bad as other countries, but it was bad enough to be the leading cause of death to Americans for a period of time. Had the virus per capita fatality rate reached levels of what was seen in Italy or Spain, we would have been losing over 10,000 American lives each day, and that's only if we had an even fatality rate as those countries

    Case in point, there is a reason why we went on lock down, and contrary to what some believe, it wasn't to make the president look bad. If we really wanted to make the president look bad, we would have gone with no lock down at, and allowed our fatality rate to climb beyond Italy or Spain's

    The purpose of the lock down is to get the virus under control, the sooner we can get it under control, the sooner we can go back to normal. The good news is we appear to be making progress, yesterday we saw only 1,008 virus fatalities, which is actually a significant improvement from when we were seeing 2,000+ occur on a regular basis (note, those were just the confirmed cases, some estimates showed single day fatalities exceeding 4,000). Hopefully these numbers will continue to decrease as we reopen the economy.
     
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    Except that covid-20 is probably already lurking somewhere.

    The notion that man can prevent nature from running it's course is a fallacy of epic proportions.

    The bottom line is that it makes no difference what we do. We can lockdown indefinitely and lose everything.
    But the Laws of Nature dictate that periodically, the human population WILL be thinned by nature.
    It has occurred in the past and it most certainly will happen again.
    There is absolutely nothing we can do to stop nature that will not result in a total collapse of civilization.

    We have used antibiotics and modern medicine to hold off these natural events about as long as possible. We are due for one hell of a rebound.
    But we are reaching the end of the era of antibiotics as Nature regains control and creates bacteria that is resistant if not immune to everything we throw at them.

    I know were talking about viruses vs bacteria, but the point is we can't hold off nature indefinitely.

    The Antibiotic Resistance Crisis
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4378521/

    Let me assure you, COVID-19 isn't a one shot deal, it is a precursor of things to come.
    Modern man has fooled himself into thinking he is above nature, but this one small virus is telling us otherwise.
    Again, it is just nature and history repeating itself. The only chance for mankind is to develop natural immunity.
    Lockdowns, just like the overuse of antibiotics, will simply quicken the pace at which it occurs and the severity when it does simply because it further reduces mans natural herd immunity to evolving pathogens.

    You can safely consider lockdowns to be the equivalent of the overuse of antibiotics. Both are going to come back to bite us hard.
    The only real solution is building natural herd immunity from exposure.

    18 million died of the "Spanish Flu", and the world was FAR less populated than it is today. We are going to see a natural event that takes billions within the next 50 years, mainly due to the fact that nature is methodically defusing all of our antibiotics.

    Civilization cannot survive long term if our response to pathogens is to hide from it. Antibiotics and lockdowns guarantee that the worst is yet to come.
    Antibiotics has made several generations live the most disease free lives in human history, but future generations will have to pay the price.
     
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