The vaccine causes deadly blood clots.

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    Repeating the same answer.

    I absolutely do not believe a single thing you claim about what "you see around you"!

    Nobody in my group of friends, relatives, colleagues and hearsay from any of them suggests anything close to the claims you make!
     
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    Steve Kirsch's substack is a great source for frequent updates, data & stats that undeniably prove the vaxxes have caused excess & mass deaths.

    Dr. Jessica Rose is another great source.

    Denis Rancourt (and team's) new report on vaccine dose fatality rate (vDFR) - in a nutshell
    According to this report, 13 million individuals are estimated to have died in association with these injections alone, based on the 13.25 billion doses of these injectable COVID products administered to the human population as of January 24, 2023. [...] This estimate far exceeds the number of people who were written down as having ‘died from COVID’.
    https://jessicar.substack.com/p/denis-rancourt-and-teams-new-report
     
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    Nope. Not only fully deniable but the opposite is the undeniable bit.
    Nope.

    Interested viewers who actually give a crap: https://www.factcheck.org/2024/02/s...eaders-misleads-about-mrna-covid-19-vaccines/
     
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    Hmm...no mention of the vaccine dose fatality rate (vDFR) & other data referenced by Rose & her team in that article. And no mention of data from foreign nations which Kirsch & Rose et al. also frequently review throughout their substacks. Sorry - but you can't argue with the data, dude.

    VAERS is clear that vaccines have both killed & harmed many - but we can't be certain the exact figure using only VAERS because so many vaccine-induced deaths & injuries are often attributed to a comorbidity, other health issue, or non-existent 'viral infection'. So the US's VAERS data is not a reliable means for exact data - but does provide a good illustration that vaccines do indeed cause tens of thousands of injuries & deaths. More reliable data should be sought from foreign nations that have better & less-biased reporting & surveillance programs.
     
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    The data isn't the issue "dude"! It's the deceptive and inept way it's been doctored.

    A lie. No such clarity exists.
    Luckily your opinion on this is not factual.
     
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    Yeah, VAERS data has been doctored - but not by the public, but by the govt.

    VAERS data has been manipulated by changing its case data - eg, data purging, retroactively adding data, altering data, 'throttling' of data, severe under-reporting, and using misleading definitions.
    https://medalerts.org/vaersdb/findfield.php?IDNUMBER=1545028&WAYBACKHISTORY=ON


    The under-reporting alone of vaccine adverse events is vast:
    https://fpmca.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/2-20-15-vaccine-fact-summary.pdf

    * FDA: Former FDA commissioner David A. Kessler estimated the reports “represent only a fraction of the serious adverse events, less than 1%".
    * CDC: Only about 10% are reported.
    * Congress: Has heard testimony that medical students are told not to report suspected adverse events, despite federal law requiring doctors to report suspected adverse events.
    * National Vaccine Information Center (NVIC) survey: 1 out of 40 doctor's offices (2.5%) in New York report a death or injury following vaccination.
    * Association of American Physicians and Surgeons (AAPS): Only 10% of serious vaccine adverse events are reported.


    VAERS reports from 1990 - 2024
    https://www.medalerts.org/vaersdb/findfield.php?action=Find&TABLE=ON&GROUP1=APPY


    And how has the foreign data been doctored?
     
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    Also, an AHRQ-funded study by Harvard Medical School of 715,000 patients tracked reporting to VAERS over a three-year period at Harvard Pilgrim Health Care. It concluded that “fewer than 1% of vaccine adverse events are reported.” This low rate is confirmed by the rate at which anaphylaxis after covid vaccination is reported to VAERS.
    https://www.sirillp.com/wp-content/...ne-Injuries-and-Underreporting-to-VAERS-1.pdf

    Further reading here:

    https://truthsnitch.com/2017/10/24/...upgrading-vaccine-safety-surveillance-system/
     
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    Oh dear, it's dump-the-whole-spam-catalog-of-claims night! So sick of this torrent of lies and disinformation! All off this has been spammed in the main covid sub-forum.

    Facepalmingly, yet again we get things like the 1% of VAERS regurgitated! Notwithstanding that the 99% - if this is even accurate! - is made up of "sore arms" and feeling a bit tired!

    And "medalert.org" the lying-batshit "alternative wayback" for VAERS only without its appropriate methodological transparency and warnings. This has led to misleading attributions of deaths to the COVID-19 vaccines.[11]

    https://www.newsweek.com/how-well-meaning-us-government-database-fuels-dangerous-vaccine-misinformation-1594392
    "With the rollout of COVID-19 vaccines, the CDC has provided additional analysis of VAERS reports on its main website, stating, "A review of available clinical information, including death certificates, autopsy, and medical records has not established a causal link to COVID-19 vaccines."

    However, alternative platforms exist where anyone can access VAERS data and bypass the CDC's clear explanation of its many limitations. One, MedAlerts.org, is run by an anti-vaccine group called the National Vaccine Information Center, whose own website NewsGuard found to have repeatedly published false health claims.

    Another, OpenVAERS.org, does not identify who is behind the site, although a site representative told NewsGuard in an April 2021 email that is owned by "a small group of parents with vaccine injured children." The site lists raw numbers of deaths and hospitalizations attributed to COVID-19 vaccinations, without the caveat that those reports have not been verified to ascertain that the event that was reported actually happened, let alone that it was related to a vaccine."
     
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    Nope.
    OMG, yet another VAERS copycat website without the helpful stuff like accuracy! Their reference? The lying-ass medalert.org website - detailed above!
     
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    No refutation of the data. Just more govt propaganda from Wikipedia & mainstream news outlets. And oh, I love how they toss in terms like "anti-vaccine group" and "repeatedly published false health claims" into the mix to automatically discredit researchers without addressing the research.

    And despite the clear flaws with VAERS, isn't it interesting that there was a spike in reports during the rollout & administration of the even deadlier Covid vax? And, considering the level of under-reporting, and the level of mis-diagnosis (ie, diagnosing vax-induced death/injury on something else), it's a scary thought as to how many have been killed & injured by the vax.

    The foreign data from other nations only confirms what serious researchers have suspected about vax injuries/deaths per the VAERS data only. It's not debatable - but you can deny it all you want. The vax is neither safe nor effective - and is in fact very deadly.
     
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    The reference is VAERS itself. Use the Wayback machine linked above. But of course your come-back will be that even it was fabricated or doctored by anti-vaxxers.
     
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    Note also: Not all doses distributed have been administered to individuals. Many individuals have been 'boosted' multiple times, and there have been recalls of millions of doses due to 'contamination'. These factors, when taken into account, would increase the percentage of Adverse Events (AEs) per distributed doses.
     
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    WITHOUT the important bits!
    "MedAlerts.org, is run by an anti-vaccine group called the National Vaccine Information Center, whose own website NewsGuard found to have repeatedly published false health claims."

    MY come back is that the VAERS Data means nothing without causation and correlation! Antivax disinformation doctors the figures.
     
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    Hogwash. The data hasn't been verified for accuracy, correlation or causation! Nothing to refute!
    I like the way you hand-wave away rebuttal because you don't like it.

    It would be meaningless if it were true - as it is, it is NON-CORRELATED to the damn vaccines and correct CAUSATION is also needed to be equally applied.

    The problem with the "spike" is that it shows a short period of "something". Since the damn vaccines didn't suddenly stop, there shouldn't BE a spike in the first place!
     
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    As the saying goes, denial isn't just a river in Egypt.

    How about a study posted on Researchgate - or are they 'anti-vaxxers' too for allowing such a post?

    Official mortality data for England reveal systematic undercounting of deaths occurring within first two weeks of Covid-19 vaccination
    https://www.researchgate.net/public...ithin_first_two_weeks_of_Covid-19_vaccination
     
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    Correct. He's also completely unqualified!
    https://www.dailymaverick.co.za/art...-anti-vax-groups-case-is-a-legal-non-starter/
    "Ed Rybicki

    • 22 April 2023 at 10:29
      So Edeling asks that:

      “Where I reference peer-reviewed journal articles, I ask the Court to accept them on the basis that I have satisfied myself of the correctness of the views and conclusions expressed in those articles, given that I have carefully scrutinised and assessed them by applying my aforementioned skillset.”

      In other words, “Trust me, I’m a doctor”. Like Grant Lindsey, who has reminded us that he’s a “doctor”. So am I, Grant, but with an actual PhD in my case, and 25 years experience of working in vaccinology.

      I have seen enough other nonsense spouted by a formerly reputable exercise physiologist to be very cynical about such statements – and in addition, I have a 40-year history of being an academic virologist, unlike Edeling or any other expert mentioned, and I have followed the scientific publications on this and a previous flu pandemic very closely. And I can happily say that anyone who is NOT qualified in virology, immunology, infectious diseases or public health is not entitled to a “learned”opinion on an issue they don’t know enough about.

      And this case will fall flat on its face, but sadly, not without considerably muddying the waters around the issue."

     
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    It's spam-by-numbers night. We're getting the whole catalog of junk in one thread!
    As the saying goes "if you can't dazzle them with brilliance...."

    Uhuh, England. So what?
     
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    This is actually exactly what you do frequently - just call everything you don't agree with as 'batshit'.

    It's easy to correlate it to the vaxxes because the timing & nature of the AE couldn't be scientifically attributable to anything else. Also, there have been hundreds of studies & historic data too that clearly show that vaxxes cause mass numbers of injuries & deaths. All you have to do is add 2 & 2. Do the math.

    And if vaxxes were so safe & effective, do you think we'd see a spike in AEs reported during the rollout of the newer deadlier Covid vaxxes? Isn't it at least obvious, just by the VAERS data that the vaxxes have not reduced the numbers of deaths, but instead we see excess deaths?

    You don't get it. The govt had to do damage control once the spike showed up, so they had to put more restrictions on how vax deaths/injuries were reported - ie, health professionals were instructed not to report deaths/injuries as vax-induced, but from a different cause (like 'Covid', diabetes, sudden heart attack, sudden stroke, etc. with no reference to vaxxes).

    And I've already posted plenty of links/evidence that health professionals are instructed to do this.
     
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    This has nothing to do with virology. This is about vax AEs. A doctor is more than capable of linking a sudden & strange illness to a vax with enough tests, because a vax AE is no different than being poisoned. No virologist is trained to do that.
     
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    Nicely evaded.:applause:
     
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    Uhuh, damage control, got you. Of course, the numbers of the conspiracy widen into numbers never specified.

    This HERE says it all.
     
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    How was that an evasion? You're the one who evaded Dr. Edeling's statements by posting about something (virology) that had nothing to do with what Edeling said regarding vax AEs. Not a single thing Edeling said was scientifically examined - except to brush it under the rug as a person who's not a 'virologist'. Nice job at science!
     

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