The vaccine causes deadly blood clots.

The study you cited debunks itself in the very first sentence when it states: "Post-acute sequelae of COVID (PASC), usually referred to as ‘Long COVID’ (a phenotype of COVID-19), is a relatively frequent consequence of SARS-CoV-2 infection,..."

No evidence, as yet, has been produced to establish the presence of (1) an infection, (2) a virus, or (3) any pathogenic contagion as the causal agent for what is called "Covid." Further, there exists no biological diagnostic test for "Covid." This renders your arguments thus far as moot.


With that said, here are some other points to be made about the study you cited:


(A) The study is an in-vitro study - so no way to determine if the proposed mechanism for the microclotting occurs in live patients, if it occurs at all during "infection", or if the amyloid agents are involved in any way in the neurological pathologies observed.

(B) The study states that its findings "suggest strongly that fibrin amyloid microclots, driven by the presence of the SARS-CoV-2 spike protein, are an inevitable accompaniment to (and a likely cause of) Long COVID." But the existence of the "Covid virus" or any virus (let alone a pathogenic, contagious virus) has yet to be scientifically confirmed - which means any presumed or suggested etiology assigned to the "spike protein" (presumably associated with said virus) is meaningless.

(C) The patient samples are presumed to have been derived from "long Covid" sufferers. However, no other medical history is provided (eg, were they vaxxed, using prescription meds, have pre-existing conditions, etc?).

(D) The study discusses capillary blockage by amyloid microclots - not thrombi. Per the literature, fibrinaloid microclots are typically in the nm range (1 - 200 nm) - so you need to use instruments (PET scan, HIP-CT, contrast enhanced X-ray) and/or blood/cerebral spinal fluid analysis to detect it. By contrast, deep vein thrombosis (DVT) includes clots that are ≥5 mm in diameter under compression.

Thrombi are what embalmers & doctors have been finding at an unusually high rate in the post-vax population - and which began in 2021 only after the rollout of the new vaccines. These thrombi are thick clots spanning up to several inches within venous & arterial blood vessels that are easy to see & also removable by hand during autopsies & embalming. These clots are so large that they interfere with the embalming process, and have to be removed first. Embalmers describe them as “long, rubbery, white masses inside the blood vessels" and liken them to "calamari." These thick, rubbery clots occur in the living (post-vax) as well in those who had to be admitted to the ER, which pathologist Dr. Ryan Cole has observed & noted in his research.

These unusually large (and rapidly forming) clots can occur in any part of the body - like the heart, cortical blood vessels, and lungs - leading to a cardiac event, major stroke/brain injury, or pulmonary crisis - a common theme among post-vax deaths/injury. They occur frequently in the body's extremities as well, which is why so many post-vax patients have lost their limbs. The NIH has already admitted that the Covid vaccines can cause deadly blood clots, but downplay the seriousness by claiming it's "rare." In truth, it's rarely REPORTED because medical professionals blame most of these incidents on "Covid" rather than on the vaccine - an argument they conveniently support not by any scientific means, but by pointing to a "positive" result on some bogus "diagnostic" test. (Fact: There is NO biological diagnostic test for "Covid.") So if someone dies post-vax from a sudden, massive blood clot, but they had previously been "diagnosed" with Covid, only rarely will they blame it on the vaccine.

See pics of blood clots removed by embalmers & pathologists here.

https://www.theepochtimes.com/world...k-out-on-unusual-parasite-blood-clots-5121795

(E) The authors state: "Our view is as follows: given that amyloid microclots can clog up capillaries and inhibit the transport of O2 to tissues, this alone can in fact more or less self-evidently serve to explain a great many observations, and in particular the symptoms of both acute and long COVID." Hypoxia is actually a signature symptom of EMF sensitivity/toxicity, and this has been scientifically confirmed in animals & humans. EMF's major assault is on the body's energy production system by interfering with mitochondrial function (hence the extreme exhaustion & lack of O2, even with a respirator, in "Covid" patients). This can lead to clotting/thick blood, hypertension, cardiac disorders, strokes, metabolic syndrome (diabetes, weight gain, etc.), allergies, bone loss, arthritis, cancer, autoimmune diseases, chronic fatigue syndrome/fibromyalgia, and particularly neurological disorders - including a host of mental & cognitive disorders - among many other health disorders. When such people are admitted to a hospital, they're put on respirators (which can cause further lung & brain damage), given drugs, and exposed to even more harmful EMF in the hospital setting. The roll out of new 5G towers & the continued launches of thousands of satellites beaming 4G/5G microwaves over earth's population is the primary cause of what is called "Covid." Thus the reason for "long Covid" is not because of a persistent infection or residual effect of a "viral" invader, but because the patient (assuming they weren't vaccinated) is continually being exposed to harmful EMF (particularly wireless radiation/microwaves).

(F) The authors state that what they call "long Covid" (for which there is no valid diagnostic test) is characterized by the presence of persistent aberrant fibrin amyloid microclots, and conclude that this characteristic is triggered by the "spike protein" of the alleged "Covid virus". Their diagram requires many unsubstantiated assumptions which the reader has to take for granted (unless the reader knows better). Of course capillary microclots can indeed interfere with O2 transport reaching the affected cells, but no evidence was presented by the authors to substantiate that this abnormality is triggered by the alleged "spike protein" - let alone a virus.

Fig. 7 from the study



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No, really it doesn't. Maybe you should take your "Viruses don't exist" batshit to a suitable thread.

All completely false and absolutely absurd. This is the "Flat-Earth" of Covid-19 - "viruses don't exist"!.

MEH!

Nonsense, in-vitro is perfectly able to generate the fibroids.

Complete hogwash, once again the "Flat-Earth" of Covid-19 - "viruses don't exist"!.

Totally irrelevant, the study is to suggest that covid-19 itself is perfectly capable of explaining any such fibroids.

I suggest you read the damn thread title. MEH!

Unproven hogwash!
http://www.politicalforum.com/index...dly-blood-clots.606446/page-8#post-1074688921

Uhuh.
A clot too far: An embalmer dissects antivax misinformation about blood clots in Died Suddenly | Science-Based Medicine (sciencebasedmedicine.org)
"A person might ask: Why is the scene in Died Suddenly featuring the removal of clots from bodies so appealing to embalmers? The answer is simple: The removal of clots of all shapes and sizes is a hallmark of an embalming going well and is exactly what we would expect and hope to see. This is particularly illustrated when Hirschman is shown removing a clot from the jugular vein and there is a burst of embalming solution behind it shown briefly before the camera stops filming. Every embalmer loves to see this because that’s how we know that our embalming solution will have a clear path into the arteries and capillaries. Yes, we embalmers love a good clot story, however it seems that the clot story in Died Suddenly is now being used to repackage many of the same old antivaccination tropes we have heard before."

OMG, back to the original Covid-19 batshit? This is as bad as "no viruses", "covid caused by microwaves".

Complete hogwash, once again the "Flat-Earth" of Covid-19 - "viruses don't exist"!.

 

That's what I said. It's an in-vitro study - not in-vivo. Your second citation even mentions a doctor who pointed out the same flaws in the study that I did.

But it can't. (1) It's an in-vitro study and is thus speculation on what happens in a living body, (2) it discusses nm-sized amyloid microclots (which do not cause sudden death), not the giant rubbery clots spanning many inches in both dead & living subjects (which can/do cause sudden death), and (3) no thorough medical work-up exists on the patient samples re. vaccination status, prescription drugs, etc., and (4) no biological diagnostic test exists to confirm an actual "Covid" infection - so no connection can be made to any alleged "Covid" disease.

I did, and was pointing out that you're conflating microclots in the nm size to macroclots that can be many inches long in an effort to debunk macroclots. The metabolic mechanism of two are completely different, which makes your citation of that study a non sequitur.

Uhuh.
A clot too far: An embalmer dissects antivax misinformation about blood clots in Died Suddenly | Science-Based Medicine (sciencebasedmedicine.org)
"A person might ask: Why is the scene in Died Suddenly featuring the removal of clots from bodies so appealing to embalmers? The answer is simple: The removal of clots of all shapes and sizes is a hallmark of an embalming going well and is exactly what we would expect and hope to see. This is particularly illustrated when Hirschman is shown removing a clot from the jugular vein and there is a burst of embalming solution behind it shown briefly before the camera stops filming. Every embalmer loves to see this because that’s how we know that our embalming solution will have a clear path into the arteries and capillaries. Yes, we embalmers love a good clot story, however it seems that the clot story in Died Suddenly is now being used to repackage many of the same old antivaccination tropes we have heard before."[/QUOTE]

There's nothing here that disputes the reports of numerous embalmers (and pathologists) that what they're finding in post-vax cadavers (and the living) is anything but standard clots. A simple glance at pics comparing standard clots to these new mutant clots is self evident.

...two medical doctors who viewed the photographs of the clots say the embalmers’ concerns cannot be outright dismissed. “People will criticize and say, ‘Oh, gosh, that’s just blood pooling post-mortem. Now I’ve done a lot of autopsies in my career. The blood post-mortem clots and congeals, but it’s kind of red and jelly. They aren’t white and rubbery [see pics in link],” said Dr. Ryan Cole, a pathologist and CEO and medical director of Idaho-based Cole Diagnostics. “I’ve worked with some interventional radiologists that have pulled some of these [clots] out of blocked vessels. And they’re identical to the post-mortem ones.” [see pics in link]

Dr. Cole previously told The Epoch Times that he had also come across the strange blood clots. Licensed in Idaho since 2007, he said he has received tissue samples of the clots from living patients, confirming that they are not simply post-mortem clots. The spike protein found in COVID-19 vaccines can inflame the endothelial lining of blood vessels, which can lead to a “cascade” of clotting, Dr. Cole said.

https://www.theepochtimes.com/world...k-out-on-unusual-parasite-blood-clots-5121795

NOTE: The so-called "spike protein" is not derived from any "virus", but is a recombinant protein that's created in a lab using fake compter generated genome sequences.


(May 2021) Ischaemic stroke as a presenting feature of ChAdOx1 nCoV-19 vaccine-induced immune thrombotic thrombocytopenia
A syndrome of vaccine-induced immune thrombotic thrombocytopenia (VITT) has recently been reported following the ChAdOx1 nCoV-19 (Oxford–AstraZeneca) recombinant adenoviral vector vaccine encoding the spike glycoprotein of SARS-CoV-2.
https://jnnp.bmj.com/content/92/11/1247

If you educate yourself on something other than official, govt-sponsored dogma, you will discover you've been all this time believing in "batshit."

Until you or someone else can provide a single study confirming the existence of a pathogenic, infectious viral agent via the simple 3 steps outlined below, every one of your arguments thus far, and in all threads, is moot.

(1) Isolate, in other words, extract the virus from a sick person and purify it, so you have an isolate consisting only of pure viral particles and nothing else.
(2) Visualize this virus under a microscope, take a photo, characterize it as a unique biochemical structure, sequence its genome, and determine which proteins it is made of.
(3) Transfer the purified virus into an experimental host and cause disease.

If these steps are not successfully carried out, it also renders any effort to develop a diagnostic test or vaccine to address the alleged pathogen as useless.

MEH!

 

And I agree. Duh.

It's not a flaw in that it shows quite clearly that covid-19 can cause them, whatever the biological mechanism. By your logic the body will BETTER produce them from the same triggers!

As opposed to the utterly ludicrous speculation that these white clots found in dead bodies are anything other than what is normal from embalming!

Hogwash. There is no conflating here. Establishing a clear mechanism that produces clots from the virus places all YOUR (implicitly agreed!) claims in the realms of fantasy antivax noise.

What!? A damn embalmer explains how it is normal! Your arm-waving away counter evidence is noted.

Unknown provenance and self-evident that you are using confirmation bias.

The hilarious epoch times again? And a clown doctor?
https://idahocapitalsun.com/2023/01...r-ryan-cole-with-covid-19-related-violations/
"Dr. Ryan Cole of Idaho has until Jan. 30 to respond to charges from the Washington Medical Commission that he violated standards related to COVID-19 and patient care.

Cole, a pathologist whose specialty does not involve direct patient-care experience, has maintained that he didn’t violate any standards while treating patients for COVID-19 via telehealth.

The statement of charges from the Washington Medical Commission says otherwise.

The Washington state medical board’s decision to charge Cole follows a lengthy investigation. It opened the investigation in 2021, in response to multiple complaints about Cole’s conduct in public forums about COVID-19; his disproven and unproven claims about the coronavirus vaccine; and his practice of seeing COVID-19 patients through a website that advertised a willingness to prescribe drugs that do not prevent or treat the disease."

Complete hogwash, once again the "Flat-Earth" of Covid-19 - "viruses don't exist"!.

Spammed elsewhere. So what! Numbers are extremely rare.

Goading noted. My educational level is just fine.

Spammed elsewhere. The flat-earth equivalent of covid-19, "viruses don't exist", just to begin with involving a cast of millions supposedly too dumb to see what you "have seen", or turning a blind-eye to it.

Take your off topic derailing elsewhere.

 

So if you knew it was an in-vitro study, why did you post it? In-vitro studies are unreliable - which is why prescription drug (and vaccine) interactions & side-effects are completely unpredictable without in-vivo studies.

Why Is In Vivo Better Than In Vitro?
In vitro models do not put live subjects at risk. However, they cannot capture the inherent complexity of organ systems and the internal environment of the human body. For example, in vitro cell culture may not account for interactions between various body procedures and cellular biochemistry.
https://www.medicinenet.com/why_is_in_vivo_better_than_in_vitro/article.htm

What you need to find is a study that examines multiple blood samples of confirmed vaxxed subjects using D-dimer & other tests over the course of time, and compare those results to subjects who have not been vaxxed. This would be quite revealing. (Note that the blood of both groups needs to be analyzed prior to any being vaxxed for baseline.)

You don't get it.

(1) The study's authors conducted this study on the presumption that the samples came from patients actually infected with a virus called "SARS-Cov-2." But the absence of evidence of said virus already renders the study's conclusions regarding the "virus' role" in clotting invalid.

(2) The study's authors believe the so-called "spike protein" from the alleged "SARS-Cov-2 virus" is behind the microclots (that's nm-sized MICROclots, not MACROclots). But there is no viral spike protein to speak of because there's no evidence for said virus.

The only source for a "spike protein" (or whatever it is) could only be from the vaccines because it was intentionally put there by scientists. What scientists are calling "spike protein" is actually a lab-made recombinant protein designed from fabricated computer generated genome sequences, just as the mRNA vector vaccines are based on fake genome sequences. So if it's true that the spike protein is involved in the development of MICROclotting (as the study's authors believe), or of MACROclotting (as pathologist Dr. Cole believes), then the cause is vaccinations. Logic 101.

(3) There's no valid diagnostic blood, fluid or other test for an alleged "SARS-Cov-2 infection", which means any claim that a person has "Covid-19" is meaningless.

(4) You've cited two studies that attempt to determine the mechanism behind the commonly observed clotting syndrome in so-called "Covid" patients as a means to prove that "Covid" causes clotting, presumably via the "spike protein" of a "viral" vector. But you fail to understand that you must first confirm there is a virus before you can even entertain the idea that it is the source of the "S-protein." So it makes no sense to cite these studies in your argument.

Thus it's meaningless when you say "it shows quite clearly that Covid-19 can cause them", when you can't even tell me what "Covid-19" is with no available standardized biological test. The study's authors basically don't have a clue what they're looking at in terms of actual causal agents.

How is it speculation? We have reports by numerous pathologists, embalmers & funeral home owners/directors, and plenty of pictures/vidoes for comparison. Are they suddenly not qualified to speak because it doesn't jive with your world view, or because of the opinion of a single pro-vax embalmer (B. Schmidt) who only watched a movie, who has a fraction of the experience of Hirschman, and who not once conducted his own exam on a post-vax subject to prove his point?

Normal postmortem blood congeals to form soft, reddish jelly-like blobs that easily come apart with the fingers. It does not congeal to form dense, fibrous, rubbery, white calamari-like clots (which are also found antemortem) that are as long as several feet long. These large clots could only be formed antemortem. (Note that initially these white rubbery clots are reddish/bloody only on the surface after being extracted, but are white once the blood is washed off. These clots are shown in numerous pics in jars of clear fluid.)

Except it's not a "clear mechanism", and can't definitively be applied to a living host. Also, the study concerns only MICRO-clots in the nm size that affect mostly the cortical tissue - not the huge rubbery clots found in major blood vessels that kill. It's the vax that's causing all the clotting, but scientists are only looking at a fictitious disease called "Covid" caused by a fictitious virus, and ignoring the toxins (EMF, vaccines, medical drugs, pesticides, etc.) the patient is being exposed to.

So your statement itself is nothing but fantasy because you can't cite a single paper confirming the existence of a virus. If you love science so much, then show me the science!

So the opinion of a single pro-vax embalmer who never conducted his own exam with a confirmed post-vax corpse, wipes out the testimony of numerous whistleblower embalmers, funeral directors, and pathologists who say they're finding huge white rubbery clots they've never seen before, at a high rate (85%+ of corpses) including a high rate in otherwise previously very healthy and/or young individuals, and following the roll out of the new vaccines in 2021? Confirmation bias anyone?

Note that “trade embalmers” (like Hirschman) are not employed by one (or chain) funeral home. They travel to many funeral homes and embalm far more bodies each year than someone who is employed by a funeral home. Thus Hirschman has embalmed thousands in his 21 years of practice.

From your link, Schmidt points out 4 kinds of clots found by embalmers:

(1) Currant jelly clots: Blood clots that contain all the blood elements coagulated in an evenly mixed mass.
(2) Chicken fat clots: Blood clots that contains all the blood elements with the red and the white cells separated into distinct layers.
(3) White fibrin clots: Blood clots that lack red blood cells, often found in the right atrium of the heart.
(4) Sludge: Coagulated blood elements that have stuck together (also known as postmortem coagula).

Note that most of the clots are not of the white fibrin type, but of the sludgy/fatty/jelly-like type that are easy to break up with the fingers. But only after the roll out of the Covid vaccines in 2021 did the white fibrin type suddenly become prevalent. But these new clots were not the same as the typical smaller white fibrin plaques/clots - but were much thicker, longer, more resilient & more rapidly forming. Not to mention, the demographics were shocking, as the victims included many young, healthy, or athletic individuals. These clots also completely fill up and take the shape of the vessels they are in, and their elemental composition is extremely low in iron, magnesium, potassium, and zinc, which indicates the clots are forming from something other than blood. So these are not postmortem clots, nor typical atherosclerotic plaques/clots.

Basic structure of atherosclerotic plaque



Hirschman said, while he was accustomed to seeing blood clots in 5 to 10% of the bodies he embalmed, that now he is seeing almost 85% of the bodies he is embalming have blood clots, which started after the roll out of the COVID vaccines, and that these “blood clots” are nothing like he has ever seen before.

These clots are so severe they've been the cause of countless amputations. See the many horrific post-vax amputations, injuries, and deaths here (updated frequently with new confirmed post-vax casualties):

https://thecovidblog.com/

Have you noticed this is all about the fraudulent Covid-19 "pandemic", which the govt & big pharma is pushing on the public?

Yeah yeah yeah. Same old Big-Govt trope, trumped up charges, and demonization & persecution of those who don't tow the line. We've seen this kangaroo show many times before. This is what big govt does - typical censorship tactics - rather than allow the good doctor to be heard and to investigate his claims in earnest for the good of humanity.

Interesting that no complaints were filed against Dr. Cole until 2021 when the vaccines were rolled out. Obviously something major happened for a tenured, brilliant doctor to be willing to put his job, paycheck, status, and reputation on the line. This is exactly why so many don't say anything and just do their job. We've seen

I'm surprised you don't believe the earth is flat. After all, you believe in viruses.

How do you know they're rare? Because the medical/science agencies say so? Why don't they ever tell us whether the person that suddenly dies from a clot was or was not vaccinated? Why do they not include this vital information when we know for a fact that the new Covid vaccines do indeed cause deadly (and rapidly forming) clots?

Like I said, most of these clot deaths are either erroneously or deliberately blamed on "Covid-19" - not on the vaccines.

But do you understand the scientific method? Do you know what a control is, or the independent variable? These are important elements in microbiology that are never practiced in virology. So if virologists don't adhere to the scientific method, what gives you the idea that these studies are in any way scientifically valid?

Dr. John Enders' work on "viruses" in the 1950s remains the cornerstone of modern day virology. Dr. Enders never included proper controls in his studies after he discovered that a control will invalidate his premises. His single controlled study was therefore ignored, and then buried by modern virology.

But we're in luck. Microbiologist & former virologist, Dr. Stefan Lanka, did in fact conduct an experiment using a proper control, which puts the final nail in the coffin of virology. Thus virologists can never use a proper control because it'll expose all of virology for the pseudoscience that it is.

So I take it you can't produce even a single paper confirming the existence - let alone the pathogenicity, infectious nature, and genomic sequence - of the alleged SARS-Cov-2 virus?

If the virus in question cannot be confirmed to even exist, what does that make so-called "vaccines" that we are told are supposed to combat said virus? Do you ever think about that?

So it's not off-topic because the vaccines are based on the pseudoscience of virology - which automatically renders vaccines both useless & dangerous.

 

Crazy! A coughed up blood clot in the shape of a bronchial tree from a patient being hospitalized for heart palpitations. Could this person have been vaxxed?




(source) https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=443805047316747&id=107173244313264&set=a.108460627517859

 

Random crap noted.

Guesswork! Could they have had Covid 19, the virus that you deny that has killed 20 million!

Reasons given! If it can grow in a dish, it can most certainly grow in the body.

Well duh, no I don't! YOU are the one who is making up antivax crap from hearsay and ignoring a direct account from an embalmer.

Oh but I most certainly do. Your attempt to prop up your claims with this ludicrous "viruses don't exist" horseshit is noted.

Batshit. The flat-earth of Covid-19. I will not be drawn in to debating such a moronic thing.

Batshit. The flat-earth of Covid-19. I will not be drawn in to debating such a moronic thing.

Batshit. The flat-earth of Covid-19. I will not be drawn in to debating such a moronic thing.

Batshit. The flat-earth of Covid-19. I will not be drawn in to debating such a moronic thing.

Batshit. The flat-earth of Covid-19. I will not be drawn in to debating such a moronic thing.

Batshit. The flat-earth of Covid-19. I will not be drawn in to debating such a moronic thing.

It's hearsay, without any specified credentials.

Hearsay and almost certainly antivax propaganda!

Unknown provenance!

Uhuh!
There's no scientific evidence that vaccines are responsible for strange blood clots observed by embalmers - Poynter
"Abou-Ismail said the incidence of blood clots ranged from 20% to 40% among patients with severe COVID-19 illness, and 3% to 9% among those with mild to moderate COVID-19 illness.

Abnormal clots were found in COVID-19 victims “long before vaccinations were available,” said licensed embalmer Monica Torres, of NXT Generation Mortuary Support in Phoenix, “and it is not uncommon to find dark blood clots in any deceased, not just COVID persons, who have been stored in refrigeration for a long period of time before embalming.”"

"The National Funeral Directors Association, a U.S. professional organization, told PolitiFact that embalmers in its network have noticed similar abnormalities in COVID-related deaths, but among both the vaccinated and unvaccinated.

“It’s only anecdotal evidence, and there’s no scientific evidence to draw any conclusions,” said Jessica Koth, director of public relations for the association.

Embalmers typically do not know the vaccination status of those they are embalming, according to the experts PolitiFact spoke to. “It is not on the death certificate,” said Dr. Hari P. Close, national president of the National Funeral Directors & Morticians Association."

Batshit. The flat-earth of Covid-19. I will not be drawn in to debating such a moronic thing.

See link and bright red above.

Uhuh, so what.
US embalmer baselessly links clots to Covid-19 vaccines | Fact Check (afp.com)
""I am not a doctor or scientist not even a phlebotomy expert," Hirschman, a licensed embalmer in Alabama, told AFP via Facebook Messenger. "But I am very familiar with embalming and I work with blood all the time."

Experts, however, said the presence of blood clots in dead bodies could have any number of causes, including obesity, smoking or infection with Covid-19.

"It is usually impossible to tell what caused the blood to clot in the first place by looking at the clot," said David Dorward, a consultant pathologist and a senior clinical lecturer at the University of Edinburgh, in a September 22 email. "For example, a blood clot from a patient who had clots caused by Covid infection when compared to blood clots formed following prolonged bed rest after a major operation would look pretty much identical."

Monica Torres of NXT Generation Mortuary Support in the US state of Arizona offered another explanation.

"The blood clots are from refrigeration. It happens to many bodies," she said in a September 19 email. "It's just that there were so many bodies to process, many of them sat in refrigeration for long durations so they got blood clots. It's not a big deal and these people are trying to make it a thing.""

Whole lot of noise about virus denial! Batshit. The flat-earth of Covid-19. I will not be drawn in to debating such a moronic thing.

I missed your answer: The flat-earth equivalent of covid-19, "viruses don't exist", just to begin with involving a cast of millions supposedly too dumb to see what you "have seen", or turning a blind-eye to it.

 

Again, what "virus"?? Show me there is even a virus associated in any way with what they're calling "Covid-19". Can you even show me that any virus causing any disease past & present even exists - pick one, even rabies, ebola & Zika?

No, you can't, which renders your argument nothing but a non sequitur. The NIH might as well tell us unicorns cause Covid.

Doctors can't even tell who has the flu vs who has Covid - except by presumption, suspicion, guesswork, or some invalid "diagnostic" test (PCR, NAAT, home test kits, etc.). Doctors have zero clue on what even causes flues & colds. How are they to make any determination on what causes "Covid", particularly when the symptoms are identical

NOTE: Millions with flu have died in the past, and thousands with the flu continue to die annually. Yet flu cases plummeted during the "pandemic" while "Covid" cases skyrocketed. Why? Did millions suddenly not get their annual/seasonal flu because the flu "virus" decided it would take a vacation and let the newbie "SARS-Cov-2" take over? Sounds absurd, eh? Can you not see this is all a scam?

Regarding the lung clot pictured, what we do know is that the subject, like all of us, at least had vaccinations pre-pandemic (which are also dangerous), but did he/she have the newer Covid vaxxes? I don't know. But the lung clot pictured is identical to the ones observed post-vax.

We also know there were two major changes in 2020 - 2021:
(1) Roll out of 5G towers, and
(2) Covid vaxxes. These are the culprits we need to look at more closely. Currently there are hundreds of satellites being launched annually that are beaming 5G microwaves, plus the ongoing campaign to vaccinate everyone with "Covid" vaxxes - hence we can expect more so-called "upticks" in "Covid" deaths/cases which they'll blame on "variants."

"Can" is the operative word, which means it MAY develop similarly in a living body. But science (when done properly) doesn't conflate "can/may" with "will." Only in-vivo studies can determine that.

And you're ignoring the account of many more embalmers, funeral directors, pathologists & other doctors in favor of one pro-vax embalmer who only provided an opinion on a movie but never investigated the claim personally, and has only a fraction of the experience of Hirschman. So the embalmer you keep referring to has yet to prove his point - which goes against that of many other embalmers, funeral directors, pathologists, and doctors who concur with the following:

These four embalmers and undertakers tell the same story.
(1) The material is whitish in colour.
(2) It is strong.
(3) They describe it as fibrous.
(4) They have not seen it before 2021.
https://andrewjchapman.substack.com/p/what-the-embalmers-are-seeing

And it's unfortunate that embalmers, funeral directors, pathologists/doctors, and nurses have to put their job & reputation on the line by coming forwards. Otherwise, we'd have thousands more whistleblowers.

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And here is an MD who provided an excellent & fair review of Hirschman's movie. Although he believes in the "virus", from his experience & research he believes wholeheartedly that the vaxxes are causing the mutant blood clots embalmers & medical professionals had suddenly been observing post-vax roll out. He made the following comment:

This clip has also inspired other readers to investigate these claims. They sadly have reported a similar situation to that being seen in the medical field. Readers have also told me directly that funeral home directors when spoken to will admit they are seeing these clots but are afraid to speak out on this issue as they fear losing their businesses and livelihoods (e.g. one funeral home in Washington was cancelled for doing so). After publishing this article, a reader (I verified the credentials of) who works at funeral homes in the South also reached out and attested that although blood clots are not rare at all to see during the embalming process, they and colleagues have started seeing large clots like those described here that have never been observed before.

The entire article is thorough & well written and worth reading. Here is the doctor's conclusion on Hirschman's movie:

For the reasons detailed above, I believe video footage of the unusual blood clots being discovered by embalmers is a winner for convincing the public there are major problems with these vaccines. ...

At the same time, because of the way our scientific system presently works, many have a great deal of difficulty believing anything unless a model exists to explain how something causes something else to happen. Although that initially appeared to be a significant stumbling block for linking the vaccines to these deadly clots, as this article shows, there are clear mechanisms to support it (note: in the previous article I went into additional compelling mechanisms to explain the severe blood clots such as the spike protein vaccine frequently causing antiphospholipid syndrome).

Although there was much I appreciated about Died Suddenly ... I feel the lack of editorial control will be extremely problematic later on. Since easily falsifiable information exists in the video that will be focused on in any attempt to debunk it, that will significantly weaken its message and allow the vaccine blood clots to be associated with other unprovable conspiracy theories.

This is a shame because the blood clot aspect of the film is so strong and can easily stand on its own. Additionally, I feel it is very likely that when Died Suddenly is searched in the future, instead of the large numbers of news reports emerging that show where this happened, we will instead be greeted with an endless number of articles debunking those parts of the movie.
https://www.sott.net/article/474668-What-is-causing-the-blood-clots-from-Died-Suddenly

Here, the same doctor discusses in detail how he believes vaccines are causing these mutant blood clots:
https://www.midwesterndoctor.com/p/how-do-vaccines-cause-sudden-death

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A group of 17,000 doctors & medical scientists have gathered to sound the alarm on the Covid vaccine genocide:

1. We declare and the data confirm that the COVID-19 experimental genetic therapy injections must end.
2. We declare doctors should not be blocked from providing life-saving medical treatment.
3. We declare the state of national emergency, which facilitates corruption and extends the pandemic, should be immediately terminated.
4. We declare medical privacy should never again be violated, and all travel and social restrictions must cease.
5. We declare masks are not and have never been effective protection against an airborne respiratory virus in the community setting.
6. We declare funding and research must be established for vaccination damage, death and suffering.
7. We declare no opportunity should be denied, including education, career, military service or medical treatment, over unwillingness to take an injection.
8. We declare that first amendment violations and medical censorship by government, technology and media companies should cease, and the Bill of Rights be upheld.
9. We declare that Pfizer, Moderna, BioNTech, Janssen, Astra Zeneca, and their enablers, withheld and willfully omitted safety and effectiveness information from patients and physicians, and should be immediately indicted for fraud.
10. We declare government and medical agencies must be held accountable.
https://globalcovidsummit.org/news/declaration-iv-restore-scientific-integrity


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No. You still don't get it.

No virus = no "SARS-Cov-2" = no viral genome = no "S-protein" = no "Covid-19" = vaxxes are useless & dangerous. Logic 101.

You mean you will not be drawn into a scientific fact you can't refute.

All the whistleblowers had respected, official credentials & were licensed.

But didn't you just try to rebut my argument with another embalmer who's a pro-vaxer? Does that then mean your argument is pro-vax propaganda?

Pics & videos were provided directly by the whistleblowers. No pics/videos or other counter evidence was provided by your go-to embalmer/debunker, Schmidt.

Of course "abnormal clots" have occasionally been observed long before the Covid vaxxes simply because clotting is common and can occur from numerous diseases caused by diet, toxins, other vaccines, EMF, stress, etc. But what we're not told about these pre-Covid vax "abnormal" clots is
(1) what is their chemical composition,
(2) in what body parts were they located,
(3) what was their rate/prevalence (eg, was it infrequent or frequent, was it steady or did it spike, etc.),
(4) what form/shape/size/length were they,
(5) what other vaxxes had the subjects already taken (eg, HIB/Flu, Pneumococcal, MMR, Rotavirus, DPAP, etc.) and how recently, and
(6) what level of EMF were the subjects exposed to (at work, home, etc.).

A note on No. 6 (EMF). There are hundreds of reports on the adverse effects of EMF on the blood. Here are just a couple examples:

The effect of electromagnetic fields on blood coagulation and fibrinolysis in humans
The result of the performed studies allowed me to draw the following conclusions: 1) Professional contact with electromagnetic fields had its influence upon changes in the coagulation and fibrinolytic systems in the examined persons. 2) Increased activity of inhibitor of plasminogen activator (PAI-I), the main factor inhibiting fibrinolysis is ascertained in both investigated groups. 3) Precise knowledge concerning PEM influence on the examined systems has its prophylactic and epidemiologic significance.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/11320559/

Electromagnetism, Blood Flow and Coagulation
The coagulation and fibrinolytic systems are highly regulated and interrelated through mechanisms that ensure balanced hemostasis. There are reports concerning a decrease of blood fibrinolytic activity in humans during electromagnetic storms and sudden cardiac death in locomotive drivers, staying in areas of electromagnetic waves. It is known the effect of homogeneous magnetic fields as low as 0.005 T on platelets, blood coagulation, and fibrinolysis in guinea pigs. There are dates about the influence of a uniform static magnetic field (8 T) on normal erythrocytes, reports on the orientation of fibrinogen, retinal cells, sickled cells, etc.
https://www.scirp.org/journal/paperinformation?paperid=118635

Nope. Sorry. We already went over this. The mutant clots being talked about by whistleblowers are nothing like the commonly observed congealed post-mortem blood, which are soft/squishy/gelatinous & easy to break apart with one's fingers. These mutant clots are thick, white, long, rubbery/stretchy, take the shape of the vessel, and lack the same minerals & chemical compounds typical of blood. And we know they're not cholesterol, calcium or fatty deposits either because they don't contain any of that either.

For someone who champions science, you're very good at ignoring real science. You're fortunate though because you don't have to deal with all the censorship like I do. That is, you don't have to look hard to find supporting literature for your conventional (but false) views since the authorities in govt & academia are pushing the same erroneous/fake narratives & propaganda about viruses & vaccines that you embrace - which basically means you're either being unknowingly manipulated, or you just choose to ignore the real science (and history) because the truth contradicts your paradigm. All you have to do is do a google or youtube search and you'll be gifted always on the very first few pages by the propaganda (mostly debunking/fact-check BS) first that you're looking for. For me, I have to go several pages on google & youtube just to find (if it's even there) meaningful alternative views on topics the govt & academic authorities want to suppress.

It's too bad we live in such a corrupt system - but hey, that's life. I know however that the truth will always win out, but often it takes time.

 

Not going to do tit-for-tat on all that gigantic pile of batshit. If you are going to continue this tirade of off-topic "viruses don't exist" crap, knock yourself out, but I'm just going to ignore it. You've spammed it on a number of threads and never a satisfactory answer to 1 below:

1. Just to begin with involving a cast of millions supposedly too dumb to see what you "have seen", or turning a blind-eye to it. THEN millions experimenting WITH viruses, highly educated but unable to see the "truth", that some random guy on a forum thinks is so! MEH!

2. Prove the embalmer I cited is pro-vaccination plus the comparison is completely skewed. Antivax activists make far more noise than people who are in favor of vaccinations!

3. Antivaxx "whistleblowers" providing pics and videos means jack.

4. "17,000 doctors"? But, their sign-this page shows about 70 with a "plus thousands all around the world" statement at the bottom!

5. Doing live studies to actively develop clots is THE dumbest proposal you could suggest.

P.s. Your newly introduced crap about 5G masts is the most absurd batshit. Effectively you are propping up 90% of your replies to actual science with 2 flat-earth type conspiracy theories.

The Anti-Vaccine Documentary Died Suddenly Wants You to Feel, Not Think | Office for Science and Society - McGill University
A tale made out of whole clot
The documentary’s smoking gun is the alleged discovery of long, white, fibrous clots in the deceased bodies of people who, we are told, got vaccinated against COVID-19. Sometimes, their blood also looks dirty, like it contains coffee grounds. This claim seems to have originated from Richard Hirschman, an embalmer in Alabama, who spoke about it to The Epoch Times, a frequent vehicle for misinformation and grand conspiracy theories. Hirschman and a few other embalmers testify to their findings in Died Suddenly, with some being blurred out, their voices altered, like they are sharing secrets so damning they’re about to be shipped to their local witness protection program.

Every conspiracy demands its whistleblower, and Hirschman serves as one of many for this documentary. He can boldly speak out while his colleagues self-censor, he tells us, because he doesn’t work for a funeral home. The movie cozies up to the body horror genre by repeatedly showing us images and clips of these lengthy strings of organic matter being pulled out of post-mortem incisions. The power of these alien, rubbery artefacts grows in the telling: in the Epoch Times piece, a cardiologist says these clots have “nearly the strength of steel.” Given the shock that these visuals can give to the untrained eye, it’s no wonder these supposed “vaccine clots” are making the rounds on TikTok.

The problem is that embalmers and funeral directors are not medical professionals. Don’t take it from me, but from the National Funeral Directors Association in the United States, whose representative told me as much, and from Ben Schmidt, a funeral director and embalmer with a bachelor’s degree in natural science. Schmidt wrote a detailed explanation of what is happening here. Clots can easily form after death, as the liquid and solid parts of blood separate and as formaldehyde and calcium-containing water used in the embalming process catalyze clotting. Refrigeration can also be to blame, especially when a rapid influx of bodies due to COVID necessitates longer stays in the cooler as embalmers make their way through their backlog.

Then there are the clots that happen prior to death. Embalmers do not typically know that someone who died was “in normal health,” as is often claimed in the documentary, nor do they reliably know someone’s vaccination status. Blood clots do happen in life, for a variety of reasons. The COVID-19 vaccines made by AstraZeneca and Johnson & Johnson were indeed associated with rare—and I must repeat, rare—cases of blood clots, but risk factors for blood clots in general include obesity, cancer, a sedentary lifestyle, pregnancy, family history, and smoking. Oh, and COVID-19 itself, which you won’t learn from Died Suddenly. This may surprise you, but an American dies of a blood clot every six minutes. Clots, either before or after death, are common.

As anatomical pathology specialist Irene Sansano told a fact-checking website, the clots shown by Hirschman do not look different from the ones pathologists regularly see in blood clot autopsies at the hospital. To know if there really was an uptick in clots seen during embalming, we can’t rely on a scattering of anecdotes. We would need a database to monitor trends, and as Schmidt points out, this database does not exist.

COVID-19 and Blood Clots—True or Clickbait? — Raven Plume Consulting

 

I "spam" it because it's true - and all that time not you or anyone else can provide a single scientific paper confirming the existence of a virus. So, as long as you're unable to take that challenge, why do you bother with this debate? What basis do any of your arguments have if there's no virus?

All virologists operate on the assumption that viruses exist.

* The "virus samples" they order are never confirmed to have viruses.
* The samples from "infected" patients are never confirmed to have viruses.
* Isolated, purified samples of viruses are never used, but rather a brew of foreign matter & genetic material of unknown provenance.
* The genomic sequences they're provided from some database are never confirmed to have come from a virus.
* They never conduct a properly controlled study. (By simply conducting a properly controlled study, they will be able to see the truth. That's what Dr. Stefan Lanka did and discovered with HIV years ago, and has since blown the whistle on all alleged viruses.)

Schmidt says it clearly with his words:

"While I deigned to watch more of the antivaccine “documentary”..."

"...Died Suddenly is now being used to repackage many of the same old antivaccination tropes we have heard before."

It's a very important part of this story because we need to see to compare different types of clots, and we need to measure & see their shapes & characteristics. We can chemically analyze the clots too, which has been done.

The 70 signatories are labeled "co-signers". But yes, I'd like to see the full list. Perhaps that page under construction.

As of 8am ET on 1/18 over 17,000 doctors & scientists have signed the Rome Declaration

By "in-vivo" studies, I'm talking about comparing the blood/other fluids & physical health of non-vaxxed vs vaxxed subjects. D-dimer tests can detect even capillary clotting, but these are hardly ever performed on post-vax injured victims.

It's not new in the least. The health hazards of artificial EMF have been observed as early as the days of the telegraph - and later studied & known for decades - but most of the research was conducted by foreign nations in the earlier days, and went unrecognized or ignored by the West. American research into this is increasing, with the evidence building up amidst the impact of cell towers, cell phones, and wifi.

A fantastic and very comprehensive treatise about EMF's health effects throughout history, beginning with the telegraph, has been authored by Arthur Firstenberg in his book, The Invisible Rainbow. You can also read the book Dirty Electricity: Electrification and the Diseases of Civilization by Samuel Milham, MD. Here you can read his papers in pdf format - http://www.sammilham.com/links.shtm

Yeah yeah, we know. This is just the same debunking trope & damage control put out by mainstream academia, govt agencies & big pharma. It's all the same crap repackaged in different ways on different sites, but with never any scientific counter-data to review - basically only opinions and/or propaganda by pro-vax ignoramuses, pharma gangsters, and virus fearmongers.

Until you or someone else can provide a scientific paper or demonstrate the scientific basis for the existence of viruses, your arguments are irrelevant. All discussions of what a virus is, or how it behaves, or what it contains, or what its properties are, or where they come from, etc. are a bunch of bullshit. And yes, that means the lab leak theory, the wet market theory, variants, vaccines, viral S-proteins, electron micrographs of viruses, etc. are a bunch of bullshit too.

You're in luck though. The vast majority of potential whistleblowers are too afraid to come forward and risk their job & reputation (they have families to feed & ladders to climb). Still, the numbers of whistleblowers is growing by leaps and bounds, coupled with the victims of vax injuries/deaths that cannot so easily be covered up.

 

Stopping you there - spamming noted. Batshit. The flat-earth of Covid-19. I will not be drawn in to debating such a moronic thing.

Batshit. The flat-earth of Covid-19. I will not be drawn in to debating such a moronic thin

As I said the two opposing camps operate totally differently. One obsessively spews out mis and disinformation, the other responds to it. He doesn't actively force vaccines down people's throats.

Oh and did you fail to acknowledge his qualifications compared to your embalmer!?

Or perhaps they are lying out of their asses and you believe anything you read on the internet.

Oh give it up already! The damn study was used to show that clots can form from covid-19! We've already had your crazy rebuttal about "no viruses". There's nothing more to say about it.

Your INTRODUCTION of it. Duh. Millions died from Covid-19, or according to you 5g (meh!). Did they switch it off then?

Batshit. Another flat-earth of Covid-19. I will not be drawn in to debating such a moronic thing.

Arm waving noted, failure to address it properly noted.

Batshit. The flat-earth of Covid-19. I will not be drawn in to debating such a moronic thing.

The crazy self-supporting circular logic that doesn't hold up. It labels everyone with no integrity and happy for people to die/get clots, blah blah blah. Total nonsense. This idea is used on every conspiracy, the idea that there is no integrity amongst academics who stumble across "the truf" and decide to lie about it instead. It's all so very ridiculous.

 

He's helping to push big pharma's lucrative & dangerous vax scam by trying to debunk a potentially serious concern regarding the safety of vaccines that needs to be seriously investigated.

Don't you ever ask yourself - why doesn't the govt seriously investigate these claims just to put it to rest if there's nothing to it? Doesn't the manner in which the govt treats & censors this information tell you anything? And look at who benefits. Is it not the elites & corporations that benefit from the campaign of censorship? But the whistleblowers aren't benefiting at all from this when they could simply go about their job, making good money, and not say a damn thing.

You mean Hirschman's 21 years experience to Schmidt's 12 years? And Hirschman has performed many thousands more embalmings also because he's what's called a "trade embalmer" who doesn't work for a single company, but travels to different locations.

Possibly, but not likely considering the pedigree of the signatories. I'd think at least one would sound the alarm if there was anything shady about this group.

You're still not getting it. The study doesn't tell us anything about the external cause of this internal (clotting) issue. So if you're trying to use this or other similar studies to prove that an infectious virus exists, this won't do it.

The studies are only looking at possible metabolic mechanisms that might cause clotting (micro-clotting) within the body - but are making the erroneous presumption that the external trigger is the presence of the "S-protein" of a virus that hasn't yet been confirmed to exist.

So when they say "Covid-19" is the cause, they're talking about a viral infection. But there's no virus, so there can't be an infection - which means the cause of the clotting must be something else - eg, vaccines and/or EMF.

No. 5G wasn't ever switched off, and is in fact being expanded by towers, cell phones, and satellites.

When new technology comes out that radiates a new form of EMF that we're not used to, it disrupts the earth's and the body's energy field. This sudden change in the environmental energy can cause illness in many people (and animals), which can look like an infection is spreading. Eventually, the body will stabilize by adjusting (as best it can) to the new, altered energy field caused by the new technology, and illness will begin to subside. However, those who are more sensitive to EMF may have died, become permanently disabled, or will continue to suffer some type of disorder (usually neurological and/or respiratory) from continued exposure to this energy.

A striking example of this is the Spanish flu when the first mega-radio towers were erected. Between April 6, 1917 and early 1918, the Navy built and was operating the world’s largest radio network. And by late 1917, thirteen American stations were sending messages across two oceans. Thus the influenza seemed to have struck Navy personnel first, making medical authorities believe Naval personnel spread the "virus" to the mainland from overseas. People of the mainland became ill as radio towers spread, as well as many other parts of the world that were distant from the towers due to the nature of radio waves to traverse across earth's entire ionosphere & magnetosphere, thus altering it. Also by 1917, radio had become a fad, and there were 13,581 amateur radio operators.

So, new diseases of every kind were associated with & rapidly increased with the establishment of the telegraph, power lines, radio towers, radar, cordless phones, microwaves (from cell towers, cell phones & Wifi), and satellites. (Makes one wonder what effects HAARP might be having on us.) Many studies have been conducted on animals & plants too showing that EMF causes adverse physiological/biological affects on them as well.

Epidemics of illness can also be caused by nature from the Sun's activity - eg, solar flares, sun spots, dimming, etc. We can't know for sure, but solar activity is likely the cause of epidemics like "smallpox" and the "black plagues" which occurred in periods prior to the invention of electricity, because these epidemics do coincide with heightened or dimming solar activity. It's also possible that changes in environmental EMF from seismic activity can cause periodic or temporary health issues if it's strong enough.

And there's also a phenomenon called "geopathic stress". Geopathic stress rests on the idea that the earth gives off a certain energy vibration that’s disrupted by underground features, including tunnels, sewers, geological faults, pipes, mineral deposits, utility (water, power) lines, and underground water. These lines run in all directions & also crisscross one another - and can cause serious physical & mental issues - and even problems with appliances, cars, building integrity, etc., and also make an area accident prone. An expert can be called on to detect & neutralize them simply with metal rods placed in specific spots to "sink" the chaotic energy. This is a fascinating field.

The need to be able to pay one's bills, to support one's family, to preserve one's status/reputation, or to work towards a promotion are strong incentives to not becoming a whistleblower. That's the nature of the monetary/capitalist system for you. Fear & competition are inherent in it, which makes it a self-policing system.

 

False, he's exposing a dangerous, irresponsible and moronic claim by an attention seeking and medically unqualified jackass

No, research scientists do this! These research papers are ignored by antivax claimants.

Dear lord no! I mean he has zero medical qualifications. He has not verified a single thing and all of a sudden he's famous and almost certainly being paid for his noisy contribution.

The sheer stunning irony in that statement is up there with THE worst I've ever seen! You place these back-slapping physicians(with side-lines in alternative "therapy") on a moral pedestal and suggest that one or more would sound the alarm. That's one in 77 isn't it? So amongst the millions of grad students, active virologists, research scientists, chemists etc., and retired, deathbed confessions etc., how many do you figure would "sound the alarm" on the ridiculous "no viruses" batshit?

I am getting it just fine. Batshit. The flat-earth of Covid-19. I will not be drawn in to debating such a moronic thing.

Batshit. The flat-earth of Covid-19. I will not be drawn in to debating such a moronic thing.

Batshit. The flat-earth of Covid-19. I will not be drawn in to debating such a moronic thing.

Batshit. The flat-earth of Covid-19. I will not be drawn in to debating such a moronic thing.

Hilarious, Spanish Flu is caused by radio waves. Batshit. The flat-earth of Covid-19. I will not be drawn in to debating such a moronic thing.

Batshit. The flat-earth of Covid-19. I will not be drawn in to debating such a moronic thing.

You just basically repeated the mantra!

The crazy self-supporting circular logic that doesn't hold up. It labels everyone with no integrity and happy for people to die/get clots, blah blah blah. Total nonsense. This idea is used on every conspiracy, the idea that there is no integrity amongst academics who stumble across "the truf" and decide to lie about it instead. It's all so very ridiculous.

 

Your absence of evidence to support your argument notwithstanding, Hirschman's findings are supported by many other embalmers, funeral directors, and medically qualified doctors & pathologists.

But the govt has various agencies & departments that are staffed and/or directed by research scientists. Didn't you know? So, like I asked, why don't they conduct a study (using vaxxed vs non-vaxxed subjects) that's publicly transparent & peer reviewed to finally put Hirschman's claims to rest?

And how do you know which members of the anti-vax group are/are not reading the research papers? And, would it even matter? The papers you cited provide no epidemiological value, nor any confirmation of the existence of a virus or other infectious agent. These are only in-vitro studies that explore/propose possible internal metabolic pathways that lead to micro-clotting. Other than pointing to "Covid-19" as the "cause" (in the absence of a clear definition as to what "Covid-19" is or what causes it) no other etiological value can be gleaned from these studies.

I thought you were comparing embalmers only. But since you brought up research scientists, I have already shown you many who support the findings of Hirschman & other embalmers/funeral directors.

Hirschman is famous among the anti-vax group because the stories of deaths/suffering irrefutably caused by the vaccines has become so evident they can no longer be suppressed. Hell, even youtube can't censor this deluge, as this platform has become saturated with ordinary people sharing their post-vax horror stories. Here's just one example of too many to post:

My Health Is Slowly Declining...And I Have No Answers For 4 Years (My Post Covid Vaccine Story)
https://www.youtube. com/watch?v=3vwKcF-O-v4

And on the same search page are these examples by doctors & news stations. Youtube & the web are full of this kind of stuff shared by ordinary people from all walks of life all over the world.

Thousands lining up for compensation, claiming the COVID vaccine made them sick | 7NEWS
https://www.youtube. com/watch?v=mbSk3WODhjM

Encephalitis After COVID-19 Vaccine Administration: Perspectives
https://www.youtube. com/watch?v=i9JLZuhqRuU

Here's a comment by "skyrangerbob" posted on this video's page which sums up the truth about the Covid clot shots quite well:

"Biggest mistake of my life was taking the shot to get my wife out of lockdown. 2 years later and I still have heart problems and thrombosis in my legs. F the entire medical mafia."

Most I would say (whether they be medical/science professionals or not) could never believe that viruses don't exist, even if they were faced with the truth & data. It's just too radical an idea for their paradigm to accept. However, the possibility that vaccines are harmful, dangerous, and useless is far easier to believe because the evidence for this is not confined to a lab, a scientific paper, or to academia.

Thus, I found that most anti-vaxxers & vax skeptics, from what I've observed, still believe viruses exist - but can clearly see something's not right with vaccines - that is, the epidemic of harm/deaths that vaccines have caused to themselves, their family & friends, acquaintances, coworkers, and the population. It simply can no longer be covered up.

Hence, the numbers of those that don't believe viruses are real are far fewer than those that don't believe vaccines are safe & effective.

Nothing but repetitive denial nonsense.

Do you deny that money is a powerful incentive to keep one's mouth shut?

 

MEH! I supported it with an expert medical practitioner experienced in doing this. The film "Died Suddenly" has been absolutely ravaged for its lies and deceit.
Died Suddenly: A tsunami of antivax misinformation and conspiracy theories | Science-Based Medicine (sciencebasedmedicine.org)

You mean pander to disinformation and lies from conspiracy theorists? Hilarious.

Batshit. The flat-earth of Covid-19. I will not be drawn in to debating such a moronic thing.

The "deluge" that is nothing more than antivax noise and disinformation.

Batshit. The flat-earth of Covid-19. I will not be drawn in to debating such a moronic thing.

 

Dr. Wilson knows nothing about embalming or pathology, nor has he had any patient experience because he has no medical credentials. He would know nothing about what causes massive clots in the body, nor what vaccines do to the body. He's just a lab scientist & "science communicator". He also cannot & has never presented a paper or produced an experiment demonstrating the existence of a virus. He's also a pro-vaxxer / vax apologist. He also refuses to debate anyone with equal or better credentials (I'd love to see him debate Dr. Stefan Lanka, Dr. Ryan Cole, Dr. Michael Yeadon, Dr. Sam Bailey, or Dr. Andrew Kaufman among a long list of others that would destroy him.)

Daniel Wilson, PhD: A master of misdirection
Daniel Wilson aka "Debunk the Funk" claims to be a scientific truth-teller. In my opinion, he's a master of misdirection. I'm going to show you why I think that including a video.
https://kirschsubstack.com/p/daniel-wilson-phd-a-master-of-misdirection

 

Hilarious horseshit. Dan Wilson is a Molecular Biologist. He has a standard B.S. in Biotechnology and a PhD. in microbiology! He is the co-author on 2 papers:
Hierarchical recruitment of ribosomal proteins and assembly factors remodels nucleolar pre-60S ribosomes | Journal of Cell Biology | Rockefeller University Press (rupress.org)
Coupling of 5S RNP rotation with maturation of functional centers during large ribosomal subunit assembly - PMC (nih.gov)

No wonder you ran away from this video! His first point at 2.25 shows quite clearly that this was lifted from a pre-covid video! He tears that stupid lying piece-of-crap video "Died Suddenly" to pieces.

As for your repetitious batshit about "no viruses" - The flat-earth of Covid-19. I will not be drawn in to debating such a moronic thing.

TRY AGAIN! It cannot be money. Otherwise your "70 sponsors" could be bought!
The crazy self-supporting circular logic that doesn't hold up. It labels everyone with no integrity and happy for people to die/get clots, blah blah blah. Total nonsense. This idea is used on every conspiracy, the idea that there is no integrity amongst academics who stumble across "the truf" and decide to lie about it instead. It's all so very ridiculous.

 

Yes, I know. That's why I called him a "lab scientist" (as opposed to a lab tech).

Yeah, absolutely nothing in these papers about viruses, vaccines, or what's been causing the epidemic of deadly blood clots.

I ran away from this video? Hardly. I pointed out why no one should listen to Dr. Wilson. He has no experience or credentials that could give him inside knowledge on the epidemic of blood clotting in alleged "Covid" patients - which is why he refuses to debate someone on his or better level, or anyone else who knows what they're talking about.

With that said, the point you made about Hirschman including a pre-Covid video was already known & brought up in post #208 where I posted a linked article by an MD HERE. Obviously you didn't read it or else you would've known this, because the MD was very fair & objective in his review of Hirschman's movie.

In the article the MD stated the following about Hirschman's inclusion of this pre-Covid video:

Unfortunately, as alluded to above, there is one huge issue with this segment. The live clot at the end has nothing to do with the COVID-19 vaccinations (it came from a surgery posted on youtube a year before the vaccines entered the market). I suspect this arose because someone re-uploaded that clip and labeled it as being from the vaccines (either as a prank or as clickbait) and then it was re-shared until the Died Suddenly team got it and added it in since it supported their narrative. This illustrates why it is so important to have strict editorial controls on any production, especially one that is difficult to revise after the fact and will be viewed by large numbers of people.

So, based on his personal research & patient experience, the MD agrees with the theme & claims of Hirschmanwent, but went on to say the following, which I'm re-posting for you since you failed to catch the message:

For the reasons detailed above, I believe video footage of the unusual blood clots being discovered by embalmers is a winner for convincing the public there are major problems with these vaccines. ...

At the same time, because of the way our scientific system presently works, many have a great deal of difficulty believing anything unless a model exists to explain how something causes something else to happen. Although that initially appeared to be a significant stumbling block for linking the vaccines to these deadly clots, as this article shows, there are clear mechanisms to support it (note: in the previous article I went into additional compelling mechanisms to explain the severe blood clots such as the spike protein vaccine frequently causing antiphospholipid syndrome).

Although there was much I appreciated about Died Suddenly ... I feel the lack of editorial control will be extremely problematic later on. Since easily falsifiable information exists in the video that will be focused on in any attempt to debunk it, that will significantly weaken its message and allow the vaccine blood clots to be associated with other unprovable conspiracy theories.

This is a shame because the blood clot aspect of the film is so strong and can easily stand on its own. Additionally, I feel it is very likely that when Died Suddenly is searched in the future, instead of the large numbers of news reports emerging that show where this happened, we will instead be greeted with an endless number of articles debunking those parts of the movie.

The author also created an abridged version of Hirschman's movie here

https://odysee.com/@AMD:0/DiedSuddenlyBloodClots:e?src=embed


So basically, the general content (theme, claims & findings) in Hirschman's movie are true & accurate according to the MD, but Hirschman's editorial control/production mistakes is what's hurting his cause.

Correct. If it's not money, then it must be a sense of personal duty & compassion for people.

I never said they're all happy to see people die or get clots. Most will look away because the fear of losing their job/paycheck/family's security is too great - while others just don't give a **** if people die or get injured. Only a small minority are willing to risk it all to become whistleblowers.

 

@Betamax101

Another important note about the pre-Covid video in Hirschman's movie, in which a large clot was removed from the heart, is that embalmers don't open up the chest to remove organs, nor cut into or open any organs to pull out clots. (Only coroners & pathologists do this.) If organs had been removed in a prior autopsy, they're placed into a bag by the doctor and returned with the body to the embalmer. The embalmer will then saturate the organs with embalming fluid and place the bag into the body's cavity or place them in the casket by the feet.

Embalmers only remove clots from blood vessels when necessary to clear them for infusion of the embalming fluid. Near the end of the embalming process a large spear, called a trocar, is inserted under the ribs to puncture the heart and drain any remaining blood or other material.

If any cadaver had a large clot inside the heart (as opposed to the arteries), the embalmer would likely not even know it. So I'm uncertain why Hirschman included this video in his movie, because (1) it was unnecessary to do so, and (2) it wasn't even what embalmers do (particularly so because the video showed the removal of a clot in a live person undergoing surgery). So, despite the mistake in including this particular video, the rest of Hirschman's movie was both valuable & relevant to what embalmers see and do.

By the same token, pro-vaxxers, cannot use that video clip to prove that such large blood clots have frequently occurred in blood vessels pre-Covid since this clot was removed from the heart's atrium - not an artery or vein. However, people have been taking vaccines for decades, so it's plausible that some pre-Covid vaccines might trigger the production of large clots like those observed post-Covid - perhaps even in the arteries & veins - but certainly not at the rate they've been observed post-Covid.

 

Don't @ me to get my attention. Your whole line of debate is done! You are relying on a completely dishonest, discredited, disinformation junk movie. No genuinely scientific person would even entertain such horseshit

 

Oh whatever, really, WHATEVER!

You were wrong, he authored papers. You were wrong he has excellent and relevant experience. You were wrong, he knows 1000 times more than your "whistleblowing" embalmer in your disinformation movie.

Yep. His video has non-stop examples of the deception.

And that is a pure ad hominem given he is fully qualified and given that he gives NUMEROUS undeniable examples of the deception.

Well duh. Make my case for me!

NOTHING in the movie stands up to scrutiny. The "lack of editorial control" is deliberate deception! Hilarious that you think it is just a few errors.

Oh do stop spamming your claim. Already addressed with expert testimony and arm waved away. This back and forth repetition is getting tedious.

Mistakes!? Do you seriously think those endless and deliberate deceptive edits are mistakes? Hilarious. I don't believe anyone can possibly believe that.

So let's examine your ridiculous double standards here. We have 70 "heroes" sponsoring some "thousands" of invisible people who are incorruptible, but of the many millions who understand and study the subject on a daily basis spending their whole working lives doing so, well all of them are afraid of losing their jobs or don't give a crap. HORSESHIT. And presumable the tens of thousands or more, retired and the ones who died with not a whistle in sight, have no idea about it either, whilst you, an anonymous poster on this forum, has stumbled on the "truth" that those many millions are all denying. The "truth" being sourced from a liar in a deceptive film.

It's all so very ridiculous.

 

By "genuinely scientific", you mean only scientists that agree with your views, right?

 

Good lord no. I mean ones who understand science, not ones who rely on a CLEARLY and provably deceptive movie.

You are relying on a completely dishonest, discredited, disinformation junk movie.

Your excuse is someone thought a small part of it stood up to scrutiny when it did nothing of the sort. Debunked and arm waved away.

 

Yeah, he knows 1000 times more of everything except what embalmers, funeral directors, doctors, and pathologists know. In fact, he knows even less than the millions of patients who have been injured by vaccines - but will present himself as an authority on vaccine safety - LOL

I've watched his other videos in the past and went away realizing he has no clue what he's talking about. All he does is regurgitate official govt/big pharma propaganda. If he really knew what he was talking about, he'd agree to a debate with the very same embalmers/doctors/researchers/scientists he tries to debunk.

Like Steve Kirsch said, Wilson is a master of misdirection.

Other than the video clip of the pre-Covid surgery Wilson mentioned, which we know was a mistake by Hirschman to include, why doesn't Wilson agree to debate Hirschman or Dr. Cole to cover those "deceptions"? Wilson hasn't conducted even a single embalming, let alone an autopsy. And you take his word over those who actually do the job. Talk about confirmation bias!

You wouldn't have brought it up had you read the article I originally posted, as this issue in the movie had been covered before you posted Dr. Wilson's video. The clip doesn't in any way debunk the rest of the movie - let alone the findings of other embalmers, funeral directors, doctors, and pathologists.

Not at all. Hirschman didn't do his due diligence on vetting that specific video clip and just assumed it was a post-vax clip. The rest of his movie was fine in revealing his findings and that of other embalmers & pathologists.

Why don't you stop spamming stuff from people who don't know what they're talking about? That would be a good start.

Why not? It was clickbait that Hirschman fell prey to as being a post-vax clip. But even if it wasn't a mistake and was deliberate, it doesn't in any way debunk the rest of the movie. That's what you keep failing to understand.

I've known about the virus deception since the HIV scam when I discovered the findings of Dr. Stefan Lanka. From then on I discovered the findings of hundreds of other scientists, doctors, researchers & whistleblowers, including old historic medical literature that debunks all of virology. From there, the only logical conclusion is that vaccines are also a scam - and I was right, as the current awareness of vaccine injuries & death is fast gaining momentum among people from all walks of life all over the world.