The Voter Fraud Thread.

Common sense says it is. I've read the law in question. I also understand that this is a situation in which the law shouldn't be enforced. Since it is being enforced then, in my view, DOJ would rather have non citizens vote than remove self identified non citizens to be removed from the registration rolls. Common sense. Most Americans don't think non citizens should be allowed to vote. The DOJ thinks the opposite.

 

The Biden DOJ actually sued to keep non citizens on voter rolls. lol

The same DOJ that went after Texas for trying to keep illegals from crossings and forced them to remove razor wire and shipping containers.

This DOJ is corrupt as all hell.

 

Looks like the handiwork of right-wingers trying to eliminate ballots in Democratic regions.

High voter turn-out is a threat to the Republicans because the majority of Americans choose Democrats - hence all the voter suppression & claims of widespread voter fraud by Republicans.

 

You don't know that. The ENTIRE SYSTEM almost seems like it was designed to intentionally make it easy to cheat, and hard to impossible to investigate or prove it. We need the following reforms:
1- Absolute proof of citizenship is REQUIRED to register to vote. Birth Certificate, Passport, Naturalization Certificate, whatever, as long as it's definitive.
2- Voting IN PERSON only except the following who will be allowed to vote absentee:
A: Active Duty servicemembers
B: Disabled Persons
3- Valid ID is REQUIRED to cast a ballot, for the few allowed to vote by mail, a signature check with a baseline no more than, oh, 5 years old.
4- NO DROPBOXES... Mail voters can send directly to the SECSTATE's office (State Level, not Feds), or drop them off in the same. Only yours and your spouse(s), IF both are vote-by-mail eligible.
5- ABSOLUTE chain of custody required, and if it's broken (like the van full of unattended ballots that showed up the other day), those ballots are rejected.
6- Midnight election night is the absolute cutoff- If you are not either in line, or have your mail-in ballot IN THE HANDS OF THE ELECTION OFFICIALS, not just "in the mail". NO EXCEPTIONS, FOR ANY REASON!

I'm quite sure this list is not complete... I just made this up as I went, and I'm not presenting some plan I read or wrote myself, it's just common sense measures to increase and secure our elections. But, there may be some tweaks that need to be made, like perhaps I'm forgetting a category of persons aside from what I listed that should be allowed to vote by mail, but the whole point is to have the overwhelming majority of people doing so in person.

As it is, and no matter who wins... I don't trust it. At all. And I'm far, far from the only one. Even if everyone I want to win does, I still don't trust it, and even if I'm happy with the results, I still won't trust it until we see these types of reforms.

 

It appears that Republicans are the real issue concerning 'widespread voter fraud'.



Widespread election fraud claims by Republicans don’t match the evidence
* [The Heritage Foundation found] that there have been 1,465 proven cases of election fraud — 1,264 of these resulted in criminal prosecutions and the remainder resulted in civil prosecutions, diversion programs, judicial findings, or official findings. These may sound like big numbers, however, they must be examined in context. The findings encompass more than a decade of data during which, nationally, hundreds of millions of votes have been cast.

* ...true conspiracy believers will argue that Trump opponents knew that Trump was going to win Texas, so they didn’t bother to commit fraud there — fraud was only rampant in the swing states. But the story is much the same in swing states. Other swing states have also recorded negligible numbers of election fraud.

* In Georgia, Heritage [Foundation] has reported no cases of fraud in the 2020 or 2022 general elections, in which nearly 9 million votes were cast.

* in Arizona, where President Biden won by a mere 10,457 votes in 2020, Heritage [Foundation] documents just four cases of fraudulent voting in the general election.

* There is minimal evidence to suggest that the few fraudulent votes benefited Democratic candidates.

* To believe that massive fraud could occur against the Republican Party means that one also has to believe that the Republican Party was asleep at the switch — that they did not mobilize attorneys or that the attorneys they did mobilize didn’t do their job. In fact, Donald Trump is attacking his own hand-picked and loyal Republican National Committee Chair, Ronna McDaniel, for not spending more time preventing fraud. The same woman was party chair in 2020 — if she had really cost Republicans the election by failing to find evidence of fraud that would stand up in court, why did Trump keep her around?
https://www.brookings.edu/articles/...laims-by-republicans-dont-match-the-evidence/

(Dec 2021) Investigation finds only 475 cases of potential voter fraud in battleground states won by Biden
https://fortune.com/2021/12/14/trum...-states-only-475-potential-voter-fraud-cases/

(Oct 2024) Yes, voter fraud happens. But it’s rare and election offices have safeguards to catch it
https://apnews.com/article/election-2024-voter-fraud-trump-harris-a3b4c2db17217311770259193c115b80

(May 2024) Republicans are ramping up election fraud claims ahead of November It could lay the groundwork for again contesting the presidential election.
https://abcnews.go.com/538/republic...raud-claims-ahead-november/story?id=110640715

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Report: Trump commission did not find widespread voter fraud
https://apnews.com/article/f5f6a73b2af546ee97816bb35e82c18d

Second Trump-hired firm found 2020 fraud claims were ‘all false’
A second firm hired by the Trump campaign to investigate fraud in the 2020 election said all of Trump’s fraud claims were false, the firm’s founder told The Washington Post [...] A similar firm, Berkeley Research Group, was hired by the Trump campaign to investigate fraud claims. Like Simpatico, Berkeley did not find evidence of fraud or that the election was stolen.
https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-brie...-firm-found-2020-fraud-claims-were-all-false/

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List of Republicans committing voter fraud continues to grow
https://www.youtube. com/watch?v=CRH3gl9u3EU

Georgia Republican Party official voted illegally nine times, judge rules
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/po...l-voted-illegally-nine-judge-rules-rcna145563

Voter Fraud Charges Filed Against Twelve People for Unlawfully Registering Unsuspecting People to Vote (pdf)
In 2005, the Orange County Republican Party contracted with several petition companies
and campaign coordinators to register new Republicans in Orange County in order to expand their
party voter base.
https://admin.cdn.sos.ca.gov/press-releases/prior/2006/06_166.pdf

Another Republican convicted of voter fraud at Florida GOP stronghold
A surprising number of Republicans from The Villages have been convicted of trying to cheat in the 2020 elections. The list grew longer this week.
https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow...voter-fraud-florida-gop-stronghold-rcna128551

Republican clerk, pro-Trump lawyer charged in Michigan voting-system breach
A Michigan township clerk was charged with multiple felonies on Wednesday, the latest turn in a state inquiry into efforts by Donald Trump supporters to tamper with voting machines to prove his false claim that he lost the 2020 election due to fraud. Michigan Attorney General Dana Nessel said in a statement that former Adams Township Clerk Stephanie Scott, 52, has been charged with five felonies related to unauthorized use of a computer, concealing a voting machine, and misconduct in office, and one misdemeanor for disobeying the secretary of state. The most serious count carries a potential seven-year prison term.
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/republican-clerk-charged-michigan-voting-system-breach-2024-05-09/

Another voter fraud accusation blows up in Republicans’ faces
The Hartle mystery is now solved. And it turns out that the fraud was committed by a Republican.
https://www.cnn.com/2021/11/21/politics/fact-check-republicans-voter-fraud-kirk-hartle/index.html

Yet Another Republican Commits Voter Fraud
An upstate New York elections official becomes the latest in a long line of conservatives to perpetrate the very crime they claim is being done against them.
https://newrepublic.com/post/169776/another-republican-commits-voter-fraud

GOP state lawmaker arrested in Alabama on felony voter fraud charges
https://thehill.com/homenews/state-...ted-in-alabama-on-felony-voter-fraud-charges/

Wisconsin Republicans caught apparently encouraging voter fraud in Pennsylvania
https://theweek.com/speedreads/9483...parently-encouraging-voter-fraud-pennsylvania

North Carolina Republican operative charged in election fraud scheme
https://www.reuters.com/article/wor...arged-in-election-fraud-scheme-idUSKCN1QG2FR/

Iowa woman found guilty of voter fraud in support of Republican husband
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/apr/02/iowa-woman-guilty-voter-fraud-republican-husband

Republicans Keep Being Charged for Meddling With Voting Equipment
https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2023/08/republicans-voting-equipment-matt-deperno-tina-peters/

A Minnesota woman is accused of turning in a ballot for her dead mother
A routine check caught it The statement said the woman was an “ardent” Trump supporter who had wanted to vote for him before she died.
https://www.bostonherald.com/2024/10/28/routine-check-catches-ballot-for-dead-mother/

Man at center of viral GOP fraud claim to admit using late wife’s ballot to vote twice in 2020
A Las Vegas business executive whose claim of voter fraud was featured by state Republicans in November 2020 as proof of tainted votes has agreed to plead guilty to a reduced charge of voting more than once in the same election.
https://www.rgj.com/story/news/poli...0-election-voter-trump-trump-2020/8632296002/

Opinion | Turns out there was election fraud — by the GOP
https://captimes.com/opinion/dave-z...cle_389e62ac-0001-5b49-9564-ce5a2bbd6b8c.html

(Republicans even cheating in local govt elections) 6 charged in election fraud case from 2023 NYC Council primary in Queens
https://abc7ny.com/post/6-charged-election-fraud-case-2023-nyc-council/15094430/

These People Were Charged With Interfering in the 2020 Election. Some Are Still in Politics Today
As Donald Trump seeks a return to the White House, criminal charges are piling up for the [18] people who tried to help him stay there in 2020 by promoting false theories of voter fraud
https://www.usnews.com/news/politic...020-election-some-are-still-in-politics-today

 

Do you believe it is impossible for Trump to lose? His crowd sizes suggest that people are no longer as enthusiastic as they once were

 

Well, I haven't attended one, and though Trump was, at best, my 3rd choice (at BEST!), the ones I would have preferred to him are gone. But, no, I do not believe it's impossible, but as I explained, no matter the outcome, with this system that seems almost intentionally designed to allow fraud and make it all but undetectable, I won't trust the results no matter what. But, my belief in his electability has nothing to do with the changes I proposed. And no matter who prevails, even if I'm ecstatic with the results (which I doubt is even possible), I won't change my mind.

 

I suggest you subscribe to “Democracy Docket”. They are “left” but you will find them interesting in what is a continuing fight for fair elections. Me? I voted Friday (early as voting was Saturday) vote counting finished Sunday (usually most are counted Saturday night) and they swore in the new Premier Monday

Advantages of a mandatory system

 

The law doesn't say non citizens can vote. In point of fact, they can't so your "common sense" argument doesn't hold water.

 

I have more proof that there isn't. You don't have any proof that there is.

You ABSOLUTELY don't know that and there is ABSOLUTELY can't offer any proof!!

No kidding

Common sense tell you that there hasn't been rampant voter fraud since there isn't any proof. Vans filled with ballots don't cut it since the driver has been fired and the van was on camera the whole time and nothing happened. The boxes were still sealed.

That is your right but doesn't make you right. It's sad that Trump has poisoned the water.

 

yep, delaying the mail and tossing out votes, repubs tried that in 2020 too

if the mail is postmarked on time, then the gov had possession of it in time

 

Vote counting is continuing (most are at 70-85% done) and preference distributions won't be finalized until November 6. Enough votes in enough seats have been counted for to to be clear which party can form government, but precise numbers wil ltake another week. This is pretty standard for Aussie elections. In fact, QLD is quicker than some because it is unicameral & there isn't a hellishly complex system to decide the Upper house.

Thing is, we have independent bodies running elections & doing the counting. We aren't so monstrously stupid as to let politicians get their mitts directly on the mechanisms that elect them. Just as important we have never had a major political party and/or its leader effectively declare war on the electoral system to gain partisan advantage. As a result there remains a justifiably high trust in elections in Australia. Long may it continue.

 

Let Trump speak for himself.... under the legitimate efforts of the Constitution

@realDonaldTrump
https://x.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1849873999570043323

 

They can in Virginia. So says the justice system. It is your argument that doesn't hold water.

 

How is non-citizens registering to vote not fraud?

 

At least it is certainly partisan.

 

Its already begun. Libs in portland just got busted with ARSON against a ballot box. Sad, sorry, NASTY people!

 

the link provided says nothing about non citizens.

 

There are nots of links about this story.

Judge blocks Virginia from dropping alleged noncitizens from voter rolls

 

This is really bad:

https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1851224940957351972

 

Whats very telling is the left isn't worried about surveillance. As if they know the other side does things by the book. VERY VERY TELLING. As I said, NASTY

 

Northern Minnesota woman charged with voter fraud in forgery of dead mom’s name

Danielle Christine Miller, 50, told authorities that her mother, who died in August, was an “avid Donald Trump supporter” who wanted to vote for him in the 2024 presidential election — but she died before she received her ballot in the mail. Miller, of Nashwauk, Minn., faces two charges of submitting intentionally false certificates and another for casting an illegal vote or aiding another.

https://www.startribune.com/norther...-late-moms-name-to-absentee-ballots/601170823

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The cheating has begun.

 

Yea, so they stuff the boxes without being caught.

 

From your link, VA was doing so illegally.

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The ruling marks the second time this month a federal court has temporarily blocked voter purging efforts by a Republican-led state for violating the National Voter Registration Act.

 

Au Contraire....

Danielle Christine Miller, 50, told authorities that her mother, who died in August, was an “avid Donald Trump supporter” who wanted to vote for him in the 2024 presidential election — but she died before she received her ballot in the mail. Miller, of Nashwauk, Minn., faces two charges of submitting intentionally false certificates and another for casting an illegal vote or aiding another.

https://www.startribune.com/norther...-late-moms-name-to-absentee-ballots/601170823