The Xiaomi MX11, Most Automated Car, "One Every 67 Seconds"

Great! I liked my Lexus.

I just pointed out that absurd comment about Chinese EVs not meeting western safety standards.

I'd add that giga-pressed cars fare better in crash tests as much of the body is a single part.

 

May not be for long as the World Solar Challenge keeps the innovations coming
https://worldsolarchallenge.org/

 

Can’t have the Chinese selling cars in America and Europe. I remember the same fear-mongering with the Japanese in the ‘80s…

 

That’s because they sell their vehicles in Europe

 

Which wasn't the point, was it? The point remains that not a single chinese car has been tested in the US. I suppose that it isn't a worthwhile conversation to remind you that the more automation a vehicle has, and also has some manner of connectivity, that it becomes an unintended weapon should someone want to hack them. You have to remember that anything that "prevents" something can be misused. It's a shame that the EU have chosen to risk the safety and the well being of their citizens in this way.

 

Polestar is Chinese, with a 5/5 rating. This entire discourse is a stretch at best.

 

And yet, we aren't talking about Polestar, which is Volvo, and yes, they are owned in part by the Chinese, but they do have a long history of selling vehicles in the US. The only stretch here is your willingness to sell on behalf of chicom....

 

Ours was made in Canada for sale in the US.

 

My guess is that they make all their vehicles to satisfy safety requirements of both Europe and the US.

 

Apples and oranges.

By the end of the 80s Japanese wages had significantly increased and were even higher than the US.

Current Chinese automobile wages are quarter of US. There are other significant cultural differences as well.

Bottom line. The US can't compete with that type of regime.

 

I pointed out that they have been tested by the more stringent EU crash standards. There is NO reason to suspect that Chinese cars would fail here.

As for automation, ICE vehicles are catching up in that way, too. Ford is making progress on full self driving, for just one example. Lots of cars have the ability to modulate speed by front radar, pretty much ending rear end collisions for those who have it engaged. This kind of safety has been going on for many years, back to nonskid brakes.

These safety measures do not depend on the kind of motor or engine being used.

I don't know what you are worried about other than "CHINA".

What I would be worried about is that China is well ahead of us in battery technology and EV manufacturing, and they have a stated goal of being the automotive provider for the world.

 

Rainbows and unicorns.

 

Been running for many years and the innovations from this challenge keep flowing back into the industry

Plus it’s fun!

 

It’s a carnival novelty act.

 

They probably will be, in countries like Australia and others that don't have (much of) their own car industry.
Let's see how they deal with warranty issues though.

How countries that have a robust car industry of their own respond, that's a different matter - when your competition is selling something for half the price strong moves are needed.

 

Humorous on topic article

https://abc7.com/post/tesla-autopilot-leads-driver-active-train-tracks-northern/15006257/

 

Not verified, of course.

There are a lot of vids and pics of this nature - fires, crashes, etc., but some staged and others uninvestigated.

There are also some that show value - like a guy with a heart attack who managed to tell his car to take him to a hospital. (Calling for aid might have been better??)

 

You pointed out an opinion, absent any substantiation of your opinion. What is that worth? Given that you don't seem to understand the danger that fleets of automated driving cars becoming weapons likely is just a symptom of your more obvious paternalism. You don't trust others, do you? So, you'd rather others get managed so you can feel safe. It's obvious. Of course, you don't expect to be managed, that's just for those dangerous others. Typical.

 

The new Blade battery and others have overcome any “fire” issues with EVs. However, ICEs still have major fire crash issues.

https://www.batterydesign.net/byd-blade-nail-penetration-test/

“The nail penetration test is regarded as one of the most rigorous ways to test the thermal runaway of batteries. The purpose is to simulate an internal short circuit of the battery. This is usually caused by external sharp metal objects penetrating the battery in a severe traffic accident. The Blade Battery passed the nail penetration test, without emitting smoke or fire. The surface temperature only reached 30 to 60°C.”

 

Asia is not sitting on an ocean of oil, so they should electrify. In America it is being done not due to market forces but by political economic diktat.
Central planning creates an mis allocation of resources, coincidentally just like what the auto markets are facing now.
We have time. Asia does not. And this will fail in Asia in the long run: they don't have the electrical infrastructure.

 

This is just silly. Try to use actual analysis rather than screeds that attack Tesla. And, check to see if they are doing anything close to legitimate analysis before you post.

 

They also have a serious smog problem in their cities. That's incredibly expensive in healthcare, etc.

In the USA, clean energy is the cheapest new energy source. That's especially true in China where gas and oil are not in significant long term supply.

Plus, we do have air quality problems as well as an overdependence on oil, and thus vulnerable to price spikes that are a major contribution to inflation.

With BRICS, we're losing our advantage of oil being denominated in dollars.

Besides, the cost of operating an EV is far lower.

It makes perfect sense for China to move toward clean energy. And, without central planning they would have a harder time managing their fossil fuel reserves and their health care costs.

 

China has really cleaned up a lot of their cities. You are correct. They had extreme air quality issues, and not so long ago. Many of their cities are pristine now. Guangzhou is amazing.

 

Absolutely.

And another result is that China is the world leader in clean energy patents, manufacturing, export and installation.

Plus, they are planning on being the auto manufacturing center for the world.

They turned a serious problem into MAJOR industries!

 

You can't trust China.they are opaque, dishonest, and will cut quality when no one is looking. The superior alloy on day one may be garbage when one is looking.
With BRICS I can expect money games. At least the dollar doesn't change on a phone call from the emperor.
BUT... California is experimenting with a road tax method.
https://www.autoblog.com/2024/05/26...t-program-to-charge-drivers-for-miles-driven/
Obviously, EV's use the roads and but no gas so they have to pay up. Hybrid drivers, too. 52MPG Prius isn't paying its way either. Eventually, I expect a registration fee, weight tax yearly, plus mileage tax monthly . Reporting vs privacy will be the problem, vs hacking, etc.