Theologians who argued for limits of state power

Atheists need to stop knocking on doors spreading our “truth” and having tax exempt organizations dedicated to atheism that have influential political action committees. We need to stop printing “in atheism we trust” on all US currency and saying “one nation, under atheism” in the pledge of allegience. We will also stop insisting that everyone who disagrees with us will be sentenced to eternal damnation

 

You mean like this…


Yes you are!

 

And atheists are still not a religion

 

Then just show the evidence. If it’s inherent in all humans since the early hominids then why are there thousands of gods with a variety of different explanation?

just show the evidence is all anyone wants.

 

The evidence is there is the wonder of nature, the very existence of the universe. It's there with your innate knowledge of right and wrong. It's there in revealed knowledge from the moment of human understanding. Your problem is that you a very limited understanding of His creation, you think it consists of only what the scientific method can discover through measurements. You are sadly unaware of your own limitations, so you're dependent on the shadows of Plato's cave. Those shadows are YOUR reality, they are YOUR evidence.

 

I agree with you that the theological origin of natural rights is not accurate, but it's not like society is the origin of such rights. Those rights exist in a philosophical sense prior to their enactment or denial by the state.

You still have a right to free speech in North Korea, even if your government is denying it to you.

 

Actually they are.

 

That’s not evidence. Your problem is any time you don’t understand something you use god as a placeholder instead of actually looking for the answer.
You just keep repeating the same dogma because it’s safe and the world is a scary place.

 

Stop, you’re not a victim here no matter how hard you try.

 

It doesn't say it, Thomas Jefferson said it in the declaration of independence. Lot of people were born into slavery in biblical times, and the Bible gave instructions on how to treat them fairly.

Jefferson owned some 600 slaves, so obviously his idea of "all men" only included people like himself.

Having said that, the Bible, especially the new testament, is full of instruction on how to treat your neighbor fairly.

 

I don't have a problem.

 

Oh Jeez, now God is a Republican, probably a Trumper too

 

you do. I asked you for evidence and you waffled on about nature. I know you don’t have any, the rest of the world knows there isn’t any, what you have is a feeling which is not evidence.
You don’t see a problem with using god as a placeholder for things we do not yet know, and that’s the problem with lazy, dogmatic thinking.

 

No, God isn't a Republican or Democrat, politics is man's obsession.

 

I don't think it's worth our discussing any more. We have different ideas about evidence.

 

Yes. It's difficult to reason with the excessively dogmatic.

 

The internet began as connections between universities that professors used to share information with each other. It was driven by phone lines and phone modems. When I worked for Businessland, we used it internally for communication. Government got involved when there was a need to expand infrastructure with the development of the world wide web. So if you want to say that government was able to cause the world wide web (WWW) to expand by providing the high speed backbone, that would be accurate. But the pre-WWW internet was in the hands of the universities.

 

To think religion only falls under the category spiritual faith is sort of misconception of the descriptive

Religion

People can worship a political party or anything that floats their little boats

 

Right, they're from Odin. Thor never had time for politics. He was always running off with making storms and comic book deals

 

Nope, still not.

 

And atheism is the single belief that god does not exist, not a religion.

 

Par for the course. Pathetic.

 

Sounds like an appeal to accept ignorance as the norm.

 

And Plato's cave is about 500 years before Christianity, as is Plato. Up until about 200 years ago your "innate knowledge of right and wrong" included the certainty that a goodly percentage of humanity existed so that the rest of humanity could buy and sell them like beasts in the field. Was that part of your superior revealed knowledge?

 

Nope. It's an appeal to understand the total universe, not just the physical world.