They hunted and killed a baby elephant!

Discussion in 'Firearms and Hunting' started by truth and justice, Jan 19, 2019.

  1. notme

    notme Well-Known Member

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    Sounds you're very uncomfortable reading that it's these white middle age men who are destroying the reservations all over Africa. It's totally fair to put the blame with them. They are massacring. I can't blame it on some poor ass country who do desperate things for some money.
     
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    it probably has far more to do that the natural predators of the deer have already been hunted down.
     
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    TRFjr Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    no my point is that the government gets a cut they profit they charge thousand to trophy hunt in their nation what they do with they money is your guess as good as mine
     
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    yes it does but Im sure most don't want the multitude of wolves and bears roaming around that would be require to thin out the deer population because once the deer are thinned out who is next?

    humans are the best predator we have to thin out the deer population because we can control how much deer humans are allowed to kill and a season allowed to kill them in

    try to tell a wolf he is only allowed three deer and only can kill them during this time
     
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    Why not have both?
     
  6. Aleksander Ulyanov

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    Cows frequently survive several seasons, even on commercial farms. Milch cows can go several years. Wild herbivores spend every waking minute either eating or watching for predators who will eat them alive, not at all an easy death. You have an over romanticized view of domestic animal life if you think they all want to be "free" rather than live in an enclosure which is inspected for cleanliness and frequently even heated or at least sheltered, and not have to worry about food or predation.. Animals in general are not easily domesticated and I think the ones we have been successful with actually like the situation. Hell, I know PEOPLE who would regard an animal's life as better than the "freedom" some conservatives want to give us.
     
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    Firstly the claim that old elephants are the ones shot has been proven to be a lie. Why should anyone believe that the meat goes to any humans!
     
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    That elephant was about four years old (tusks grow about 7 inches per year from about one year old and those tusks are about 21 inches long. Elephants and humans have similar life spans and similar childhood rearing. That elephant is similar to shooting this child:
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    domesticated animals have been domesticated for so long most cant live in the wilds on their own with no human assistance

    humans on the other hand aren't domesticated they can survive on their own
    I know its part of the liberal agenda to make humans domesticated like a fenced in cow reliant on government to survive
     
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    tell me what kind of country allows the hunting of a 3 year old elephant ?
     
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    According to all the pro-trophy hunters no country allows the hunting of 3 year old elephants, so that has been shown to be a lie
     
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    Before men were here the deer population was always quite sufficient for the wolves and bears. Wolves, btw, are naturally timid creatures as long as they are not admixed with domestic dogs, which are quite aggressive comparatively. Farley Mowat has documented that their main food is mice.
     
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    You are the one assessing blame, I'm merely pointing out that it's not an entirely white race enterprise and in fact the black countries selling these animals to white "hunters" are far more culpable if you want to play that game
     
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    When that leads to a destruction of the ecosystem, than clearly paying a bunch of corrupt people isn't good enough.
     
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    And that is what white middle age men are doing now in Africa, because they already killed what there was in their own countries. Hence the problem is them white men.
     
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    wolves are opportunistic predators and after a generation or two living in close proximity of humans they arent to timid around them and they wouldn't think twice taking down some child playing in a backyard in their territory which would be where the deer are and deer in my state roam urban areas and farm lands getting in gardens and flowerbeds
    using wolves as a means to thin the deer population isn't the wisest choice humans do a much better job and can be controlled
     
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    But it's still them killing of the game. They already massacred around in their own countries. There hardly is any wildlife there. I don't care about your snowflake feelings of being offended that the race is being mentioned on who actually does this.
     
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    I'm sure you do and that's the fundamental difference between you and I. You think raised and protected animals have a better life than wild and free animals and that carries over into your socialist politics. You'd rather be managed and protected while I'd rather be free with all the associated risk. Just yesterday I was watching three deer bedded down in front of our house and I remarked to my wife how content and calm they looked while at the same time being acutely aware of their surroundings. They were beautiful to watch unlike domesticated livestock in an enclosure that always look somewhat pathetic.

    By the way animals raised for meat are born in spring killed in fall.
     
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    Yeah I guess the hit man's to blame while the guy that hires the hit man to kill his wife for insurance has no role in the killing.
     
  20. Aleksander Ulyanov

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    All predators are opportunistic. Wolves will kill the mainly the old and sick, as predators should. Men take the biggest and healthiest "trophy" animals, and so weaken the species.
     
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    I do not blame the entire white race. Just saying that they are doing it.
     
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    ...while ignoring numbers that support my position. Let’s try an analogy.

    I can make charts and graphs showing Takata airbags are evil killers and airbags should be banned from automobiles. Some people would read my article with charts and graphs and emotional stories about death and injury and jump on the ban airbags bandwagon.

    Others would apply critical thinking and logic and conclude my Takata story was not a valid indictment of airbag usage in general.

    Emotion is a tool used by people on these issues to blind others to stark realities.
     
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    Race has to enter into every discussion with the left so I'm not surprised you're "just saying".
     
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    Again you are wrong. Wolves routinely bring down large healthy animals. It's a matter of separation from the herd and then following and harassing to the point of exhaustion with overwhelming numbers and a pony Express style rest and attack division of labor among wolves especially in deep snow. Most hunters hunt for meat and the trophy is secondary to filling the freezer but even trophy hunters looking for the biggest deer or elk rack are often killing a buck or bull beyond it's prime or approaching that point.
     
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    Hunting animals for trophies.

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