This One Thing Shows How Deeply Washington Is Broken

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  1. Shutcie

    Shutcie Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    When your grandfather came to America he apparently did it LEGALLY, as did my great great grandparents. When they departed the boat they were probably met by earlier immigrants who, for a fee, directed them to housing and jobs. Government had little to do with them. And they were probably discriminated against in many ways by Americans, including earlier immigrants.

    Today's LEGAL immigrants have government support for jobs and housing. Screening means most LEGAL migrants come to America able to support themselves.

    Today's ILLEGAL migrants get free transport, free housing, free medical care, free food and even free laundry.

    So much for your "treat them as refuse" nonsense.

    Pew says 11 MILLION ILLEGAL migrants, border patrol says a minimum of 14 MILLION. PEW numbers come from census numbers. I'll trust the border patrol.

    It is disingenuous to say that ILLEGAL MIGRATION is better than LEGAL migration.

    Oh, wait, they don't say that, do they? They just say ILLEGAL migrants pay more in taxes than government services cost.

    The claim barely deserves closer scrutiny. It begs the question doesn't it? Starting with it is supposed to be ILLEGAL for an ILLEGAL MIGRANT to work.

    Your attack on Trump is noted for what it is.
    Incorrect.
     
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    Thanks for the history lesson. Unrelated to my question, though.
     
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    Your entire post was nonsense, spin and bad analysis. I'll leave you to it. I have explained myself well enough.
     
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    You’ve proven you know nothing about the world monetary system. Not surprising christian nationalists are taught anti American bull **** every Sunday; and throughout the week, for that matter.
     
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    History answers your question.
     
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    My Great Grandfather came from Italy, steerage (on the open deck of a ship), he made the trip 5 times to get his family here. He had no papers, that's where the term WOP come from, and next to no money when he got here. He worked his way to Denver where he had brothers. Today he would be an undocumented migrant just like the people at our Southern border.

    You've made a lot of unsubstantiated claims, but the fact is (as I documented) migrants put much more into our economy than they receive. It's an inconvenient fact for christian nationalists I know but it IS a fact none the less.

    TRaitor tRump AbsaByGodLutely had a bipartisan immigration bill killed so you could make **** like this a political issue.
     
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  7. Shutcie

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    When did gramps make his trips?
    When mine came to America there was no immigration process, and no one was ILLEGAL. If that's when gramps came he wasn't undocumented.

    But we do have an immigration process and expect immigrants to follow the process.
    Not just walk across the border.

    So tell us, how do your ILLEGAL MIGRANTS pay taxes if it's ILLEGAL for them to work?
     
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    So your brag that your grandfather was "legal" really has no context today.
    My great grandfather made his first trip around 1900, extrapolating that from the fact that my grandfather was 3 when he went through Ellis.

    We have no consistent processing center like Ellis and no consistent rules are followed. Yeah, some come through unauthorized with the goal of getting picked up by the boarder patrol to expedited the process.

    They don't make enough to pay federal taxes, in any case (legal or illegal), but they do pay sales tax and other local taxes. They also contribute to local economies by renting and buy goods and food. Those with green cards pay taxes and even contribute to social security that they have no hope of ever collecting.
     
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    So a source for the history of immigration in the US.
    https://www.infoplease.com/us/immigration-legislation

    From about 1892 we've had a process.
    We expect immigrants to follow it.

    Your crack about "Christian nationalists is the second time today you've disparage religion.
    What's the matter, you think God peed in your Wheaties this morning?

    And apparently the US government disagrees with you about the impact trump had on ILLEGAL MIGRATION as compared to Brandon and his "border czar who wasn't

    https://homeland.house.gov/2023/10/...ers-show-worst-year-at-americas-borders-ever/
     
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    So like most liberals you figure that so long as ILLEGAL acts turn a profit the law is no longer an issue.

    Can you show us how your study factors in the cost of the terrorist acts we'll be subjected to thanks to Brandon's failed open borders thing?
     
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    "WE" have never managed the Southern Boarder with anything like a serious goal. I grew up in Ag. so I lived it. There have always illegal immigrants coming to U.S. to harvest our food, cook it, clean up after us and whatever other menial jobs we can put them to. It's better than slavery because they are paid way below what they are worth, employers don't have to feed, clothe or house them. We have never "expected" anything of migrant's except to put up with all the **** we can put them through. I've watched it.

    My crack about "christian nationalists" does not, IMHO, disparage any mainstream American religion. Christian Nationalists are anti-USA, anti-government, anti-Constitution, anarchists that do not follow the teachings of Christ, in spite of their name.

    Yes, tRaitor tRump slowed the rate of migrants coming to the boarder by treating them even more inhumanely that usual and by separating them from their children with NO plan to reunite them. kudos ... :roll:
     
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    No! I think it's a huge issue and I think we're being foolish by not setting a proper system to process these desperate people so that we can help them help us. When the rest of the world is looking at declining work forces we must look like real jackass's treating these poor people the way we do.

    Probably, I've been working outside, I'm tired and I'm not going to.
     
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    So let's have all applications for migration or asylum processed ONLY at offices overseas.
     
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    So let's setup Ellis Islands at every border crossing; El Paso, Nogales, TJ even Miamis and San Diego. It couldn't possibly cost more than the crazy **** we're doing now.
     
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    1. Being done already with 25000 CBP agents on the Southern border alone.
    2. The Republican Study Committee and Trump's proposals won't do that.
    3. The FED has the primary responsibility of getting "inflation" under control. Currently, inflation is 3%. With Real GDP at 2.8% either we reduce GDP to get lower inflation or we raise interest rates to curb inflation.
     
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    I don't think this budget will pass and we need to raise revenue to pay for the things we currently are obligated for. But that won't happen and that's why it shows how broken Washington is.
     
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    Expecting desperate people to trek thousands of miles without assurance is the main proble..

    If they can apply anywhere in the world and know before they make that trek that they will be welcomed we eliminate the whole trafficking industry, cut smuggling and let the border patrol get back to actually securing our borders.
    And it need not be expensive. We already have offices in most countries.
     
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    Expecting? Wuuuut?

    Many people were turned back at Ellis Island because of health and other issues.
    except that most of the current people are coming from despotic countries. That's why they are trekking here, there is NO place safe IN their country. Making it out alive is a big accomplishment.
    Start, start securing our (southern) border.
    Except for Panama and Guatamala we do not have embassies in most of Central America or Northern South America, Check it out.

    https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/us-visas/visa-information-resources/list-of-posts.html.

    Makes you look at your hole card before thinking of traveling there.
     
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    WHO says they are not processed?

    There will always be some who can get into any country undetected.
    Smuggling is a big business.

    The vast vast vast majority of immigrants are processed.
    100% processed can never ever be achieved.
     
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    That requires resources of money and people.
    MAGA voted down a border bill to address the issues of the border.

    They don't want processes.
     
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    The 2 parties break down like this

    Tax and spend Dems
    Borrow and spend Rebubs.

    One attempts to pay for spending. One attempts to kick the bills to their kids and grandkids.
     
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    No, it's an unworkable idea because we don't even have embassies or other infrastructure to implement it.

    Which is my point.
     
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    "maga"voted down the more properly named "let's pay Ukraine so the big guy gets his 10% bill".
    Did you actually read that bill?
    $100 BILLION mostly for Ukraine and Israel, $20 BILLION for "border security".
     

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