This seems a pretty strong -and relevant- endorsement for Hegseth

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  1. bclark

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    You can expect a few recess appointments if that's your belief.
     
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    Correct! I'm not talking about opinions. A women declaring that she was raped is not an opinion. Co-workers noting that somebody came to work drunk over and over is not an opinion.

    What I think is irrelevant. FACTS are what is relevant.

    I any case, why are you defending this guy? What's in it for you if you deny being a MAGA? Even if you believe that women who have NO history of lying or reason to lie, and who knows she will be attacked by cult-followers... IS lying about being raped... the guy is clearly a drunk. What is your obsession about Trump not picking somebody else?
     
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    That woman was shown to be lying by police on the scene. Why do you keep repeating these claims?
     
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    Your opinion on whether or not those declarations are facts is opinion. You do not get to declare what someone else says is factual simply because you like what they say.

    So say it just so I know you understand basic logic here: “I, Golem do not actually know whether Hegseth is guilty of rape or not, duly acknowledging that somebody else’s declaration is not actual proof of anything”


    Hence why you should stop just giving opinions and telling us they’re facts



    Mercilessly destroying your argument is not a defense of anyone. Another logic fail.

    I like logic and don’t like emotional opinionated illogical demonizations of people based on nothing but prejudice.

    You should too
     
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    The Investigation into the incident and the security footage do no suggest rape. Neither the cops nor the DA chose to file charges what we had was a woman who got the guilts after she sobered up. The first similar incident mention in History happened to Moses. As it happens women are human beings too and subject to all the same foibles as the the rest of humanity.
     
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    THEY DID NOT FILE CHARGES. Hence the people at the scene did not believe the woman's story. Because the evidence did not support it.
     
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    The police determined her statement to be less than honest or Hegseth a relative nobody at the time would be in Jail.
     
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    Golem Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You falsified a quote from a police report! I don't say this as an insult. I'm just pointing out the fact that we can't take anybody who does something like that seriously anymore.

    So you have a chance now to either SHOW the quote you ascribed to the police report, or RETRACT. Your choice. But you MUST do one of the two if you expect to ever be taken seriously again.
     
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    Recess appointments for Major Cabinet positions would never fly...
     
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    Yes. I would trust 100 SEALS over 10,000 politicians or the entire MSM. They are the best of the best. They risk their lives for chickenfeed salary. They are much much much better men than you and I. They are an order of magnitude better men than the garbage heap we call the political class.

    If they trust Hegseth, that is far more than enough for me. I could give a damn what the left thinks about him or what lies they tell about him. The left is my existential enemy and their opinion is unworthy of any kind of consideration. Perhaps when they are willing to fight and die for America and be good at it, I will modify my position (it will never happen). If the left hates Pete, he must be forced through at ALL costs and by any means possible.
     
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    So NPR is lying? I quoted directly from their article. If you have any evidence to the contrary please share, but until you do stop slandering people who disagree with politically.
     
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    So, you've never talked with any SEALS then?
    Cause I have.
    The one common trait they all have is love of country and desire to serve the greater good. Oh, and an absolute passion for success and a superior intellect. If you aren't sure what I'm trying to say, I'm telling you SEALS are smarter and tougher than your hero pundits, and their motivation is a love of country, not politics.

    Now, a case might could possibly be made that SEALS are not the best judge of who can or should serve in high government positions, but given your penchant for accepting innuendo, unsupported allegations, and pundit spew as gospel, you are surely the last person I would trust to judge someone's qualifications for "high government office".
     
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    A woman claiming rape is not FACT. You should know this. FACT is that the allegations she made were fully investigated and no one involved wanted to try and prosecute the matter.
    NO ONE.
    And its telling, by the way, that the woman didn't then try the civil suit route, where the burden of proof is so much lower than for a criminal case.
    Wonder why?

    Allegations of drunk? Does that mean we ignore all the other employees who say it isn't true?

    Your idea of FACT is obvious; if it smears a conservative, especially if it smears Trump, then it's fact, no matter how silly.
     
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    And she has issue and total and unequivocal repeat of her withdrawal of any such accusations from long ago. Why do you ignore that?
     
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    And it seems the more he meets face to face with the Senators the more support he gathers. I have yet to hear anyone on the left actually discuss and policy or positions just the personal specious ad homs.

    Last week Ernst was against advancing his nomination. After meeting with him once and agreeing to another

    "A Republican senator crucial to Pete Hegseth’s chances of being confirmed as secretary of Defense said she would meet with him again next week and “that he deserves the opportunity to lay out his vision for our warfighters at a fair hearing.”"
    https://www.yahoo.com/news/ernst-says-she-ll-confer-233509303.html
     
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    So Biden is a rapist? Clinton?
     
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    How very ... "manly" of you. But it's not how the system works. The constitution calls for the advise and consent of Congress. NOT of 100 SEALS.

    Well... that doesn't tell us much. You trusted a convicted felon and adjudicated sexual abuser to be President. So that's not what any normal person would call "good judgment" in ANY circumstance.

    In fact, it's the kind of judgement that makes me MORE weary about having a drunkard sexual abuser as head of the DoD.
     
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    No! YOU claimed that the police report says something it does NOT. And NPR does NOT say that it did. YOU did!

    There are circumstances in which falsifying a police report might even be illegal. I assume this is not one of them. But it is STILL dishonest. So you have your options: either show a quote of the police report saying what you claim... or RETRACT...

    Some trustworthy source like NPR quoting the police report you made a reference to would suffice. But you haven't done even THAT.
     
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    As you are a part of the left, you will need to explain why the majority of voters who went for Trump should care about your opinion. This is the consequence of losing, you don't have a seat at the table.
     
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    Well, but liberals have been convinced for a long time that their opinion, even when they lose, is far more important than any darned conservative.

    And when it comes to that rascal Trump all bets are off. The orders from headquarters have not been modified since Trump came down the golden escalator; "Get Trump, no matter what it takes".

    Lies, propaganda, hiding the truth, yes, even assassination are all on the table and considered legitimate tactics to get trump.

    So a little pushing for a seat at the table wouldn't be a stretch for a liberal at all.

    Not that it does them much good.

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    Ah... so there you have it! That's what I wanted to get at. You claim that SHE'S lying. Because, of course, a Trump nominee who has been found drunk by his colleagues and whose own MOTHER says he abuses women... cannot possibly tell a lie.

    Sorry...but I learned a long time ago when I used to debate with creationists and flat earthers that when you arrive at THIS level of absolute disregard for facts, it's a waste of time to continue.

    Thanks for playing....
     
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    Yes!!!! That is EXACTLY what we do. And we do that for two reasons: one, because when somebody shows up to work drunk, you don't expect every single person in the building to have seen him drunk. And second... MOST importantly.... what you say may be something to consider if you're thinking about firing the janitor. But we're talking about the Secretary of Defense! In the case of a janitor you could ask "what if they're wrong?" and keep him in the job. But if it's the nominee to head the DoD you HAVE to ask "what if they're right?" We're talking about one of the people who will have the highest responsibility for defending YOU if our nation is attacked.

    For heaven's sake, just pick somebody else!!!!

    Anyway... as I said before, you exceeded every parameter that can be set of irrational thinking. So, again... thanks for playing....
     
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    He doesn't have to care about my opinion. He HAS to care about the fact that we simply must NOT have a drunk sexual abuser whose own mom describes him as an abuser of women, as head of one of the most important departments in government.

    Just pick somebody else! DeSantis is a creep and one of the worst human beings in the world. He despises women and will probably do a terrible job. But at least nobody has seen him drunk or accused him of sexual abuse (that I know of). Just pick him. We might survive an incompetent ******. But an incompetent ****** who is an alcoholic and sexual abuser.... probably not!

    And also, full disclosure, it would be a plus for us Floridians to not have that creep as governor.
     
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    On the other hand, there is widespread testimony confirming that the Christian Nationalist whackjob media entertainer is a reliable drunkard.

    Pete Hegseth’s history of drinking
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    ‘Who the f--k is this guy?’: Defense world reacts to Trump’s surprise Pentagon pick

    “Hegseth is undoubtedly the least qualified nominee for SecDef
    in American history,” one veterans’ advocate said.
     
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