Time to Get Real About Ukraine

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  1. flyboy56

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    Back to the original question? Why are new modified tanks not going to be built for Ukraine and the old A1 tanks are now going to Ukraine when the Pentagon originally said they didn't have those to spare because they were in need of repair?
     
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    I did not say Crimea. Please note that in the discussion you quoted out of context, the subject was the battle around Bakhmut.
     
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    As at Stalingrad, the reversal of fortune will be swift.
     
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    The M1A1 is superior to anything in the Russian inventory.
     
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    Russia Must Emerge From Ukraine War Incapable of Future Attacks: Diplomat
     
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    That's an act of impossibility. Regardless as to how this ends, the ability to wage war will always be a power for any State.
     
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    The NWO needs to outlaw war and make it punishable by nuclear annihilation.

    Then we could maybe stop killing each other like stupid apes and concentrate on preserving our planet and colonizing new ones.
     
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    "The goal should be to deter Russia," Anka Feldhusen told journalists at a Media Center Ukraine briefing on Wednesday. "Russia should not be capable of attacking either Ukraine or other neighboring country again. This is our goal."
     
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    Correction Noted --- but unfortunately -- you loose the "Hero" Status for the toned down prediction .. although there is still a bravery star up for grabs .. and you may win that as is doubtfull - although somewhat possible- that Russia will have ceded Bakhmut after the Boys of Summer are gone. one of my favorites :)

     
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    Extra points for you enjoying music in a foreign language.
     
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    How the hell does that work ?? ?? How do you punish a nuclear superpower -- with nuclear annihillation -- without blowing yourself up ?

    This makes ZERO sense mate .. did you not get the MAD memo ?
     
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    Only speak one language .. English .. what foreign language were you referring to .. Keeping mind that only a raging moron runs around crying "Russia Russia Russia" every time something conflicts with necessary illusion :) har har har.
     
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    Their only choices are suicide or muder-suicide if they want to start a war. MAD has ruled so far, and this is just taking that principle to a slightly higher level to outlaw all war formally instead of being an informal doctrine that merely deters nuclear powers from going to war against one another.
     
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    Live updates: Russia's war in Ukraine (cnn.com)
    Ukraine is still fighting back and wil keep on fighting back until Ukraine takes back what was theirs in the first place.


    Putin will still do anything to take all of Ukraine. It doesn't look like he'll have it all anytime soon.
     
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    uh huh

     
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    LOL @ the expressions on their faces....

    XI RIPS PUT.jpg

    It's official. Putin is now Xi Jinping's b*tch....
     
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    You have to love justvhoatw quick Conservatives are tonride the bandwagon authoritarians and cheer for them at all and any moments they find.

    Russia is losing the war. Suck it up.
     
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    Sure you do.;-):roll:
     
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    This is why sound tank doctrine mandates deployment of infantry screening forces. Muscovites ignored this during their initial attempt to take Kyiv, and spectacular video of Muscovite turrets being popped was the result. Ukrainians are smarter.
     
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    Ukrainian NATO-membership was denied already in 2008/2009by e.g. Germany and France just for the reason they wanted to integrate Russia into a European architecture for security. A mistake no one in Europe will repeat in the next decades as Russia has proven to be resentful, dangerous and even hateful of the other European nations no matter what.

    Eastern European countries can say to us "Told you so!", but I am positive, we here in Germany, France and the other Western European nations learned our lesson.

    This whole NATO-argument is nonsense for both reasons

    1. Ukraine wasnt allowed into NATO exactly for the reasons given above
    2. NATO never attacked or threatened Russia in any way
     
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    Ukraine is getting older US Abrams tanks, but Russia's Soviet-era tanks still won't be a match for them in battle

    Chris Panella
    Thu, March 23, 2023 at 12:57 PM CDT

    Washington is fast-tracking the delivery of Abrams tanks to Ukraine, opting to send older M1A1 models instead of the newer M1A2s to get them there sooner. But the decision will still get Kyiv the firepower it needs right now, as the older tanks have a strong, combat-proven track record of defeating Soviet-era tanks like the ones Russia keeps sending into combat.

    According to some early performance reports from the first Gulf War, America's M1A1 tanks were a formidable and invaluable asset on the battlefield. Crews praised their reliability, and they were particularly lethal against Iraq's Soviet-era tanks, such as the T-72s that Russia is currently employing in Ukraine.

    "In a standoff between the two, I would not want to be in the T-72," Jeffrey Edmonds, a former US Army armor officer and Russia expert at the Center for Naval Analyses, told Insider. "I think that where the benefit comes from is the accuracy and power of the round."

    ... https://news.yahoo.com/ukraine-getting-older-us-abrams-175717871.html
     
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    Your idea fails .. on numerous accounts .. first off being Who is the punisher ? When one nation violates .. and needs to be punished .. via nuclear obliteration .. what entity/Nation is going to do the punishing ?
     

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