Trans Minors Seeking Puberty Blockers, Sex Changes ‘Protected from Parents’ Under New Law

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  1. ToughTalk

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    Kids will run away from home over any kind of strict punishment. Let's say they start hanging around bad influences...so you try to steer them away from that? Boom! They run away from home. You come down hard on piss poor choices, say they are skipping school...doing hard drugs. Maybe they wrecked the car? Boom! They run away from home.

    You really have no experience raising children. It's not so simple. And you can try going out and hunt for them but even that's not all that simple and easy to do.
     
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    Since there is only 3 pages, I went through your posts and did not see an answer. I already knew the answer as well as why those supporting irreversible surgery on minors would avoid answering.

    Now lets take your position of letting the "professionals" persuade minors, and test it:

    A PDH has a different set of beliefs he/she wishes to impose on the minor. Conversion therapy is the prescribed treatment for gender dysphoria. Instead of telling the child they were born defective and require drugs and surgery to "fix", they tell the child that they are an abomination and will burn for eternity if they don't convert to living "gods way".

    Are we still on board?
     
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    Ha! I raised 5 kids and they threatened to run away many times. I always told them to take what they need and that the door was always open when they wanted to come back. None of them ever ran away.
     
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    Yeah, that's probably how I would play it as well. But it's really a crap shoot. If they feel they have a solid support situation beyond their home...they may bail. And sometimes that's the situation. The ones who bail with no support system are usually the ones who are being beaten or the like and for them, I sympathize.
     
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    True. Kids may push back on boundaries, but they end up feeling more secure. A friend of mine was a free-range parent and his 2 kids were out of control. Our kids were friends and they slept over many times. I had rules and consequences. When they tested the boundaries, I gave them chores as a consequence. Even though I had them scrub tile and pick up dog doo, they always wanted to come back as soon as they could.
     
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    So the kids are being punished for being trans. Well, that is a good reason to run away. Parents don't want them to be who they are.
     
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    I guess you didn't look good enough.

    Persuasion is not what a good professional will do. A good professional will give the good and bad points of doing blockers and surgery. Ultimately it's the legal guardians decision along with their child.

    If one is imposing something, that professional should be brought up to the medical establishment boards and review for possible removal from the profession.
     
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    Kids are not mature enough to make such a permanent life altering decision.

    We don't allow them to get tattooed. Get addicted to drugs or any other permanent life altering choice.

    That's the entire purpose of a parent or guardian.

    Studies have shown upwards of 80 percent of trans kids end up outgrowing it anyways
     
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    Show the studies about your 80% claim.
    Especially those who, along with their parents, moved to taking actual actions on transitioning.

    It's up to a medical professional, legal guardians, and even the kids themselves on how to proceed. You can't possibly know the situation of every single kid in the country and make those decisions from your computer. Bottom line, It's not YOUR decision.

    When are kids mature enough. According to @Doofenshmirtz, myself, and the medical profession, no one is old enough to make many decisions until the brain has fully developed. Around age 25.
     
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    None of your posts you quoted answers my question. You indirectly answered a question I never asked. The answer makes it difficult to defend your position, so you conveniently deem it irrelevant. That is dangerously incorrect.

    Getting back to my example of conversion therapy prescribed by "professionals" combined with the wishes of the bible beating, legal guardian. Are you still on board?
     
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    I do deem it irrelevant. All sorts of life decisions are made before 25. Some may have life long consequences.

    Like, drinking alcohol, joining the military, driving a vehicle, voting, the list can be endless. Many life altering choices are made.

    I can defend my position. IT'S NOT MY DECISION TO MAKE. Nor is it the gov'ts or yours.
     
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    https://www.transgendertrend.com/children-change-minds/
    "Eleven studies have been conducted looking at whether gender dysphoria persists throughout childhood. On average 80% of children change their minds and do not continue into adulthood as transgender."

    They link the studies
    http://www.sexologytoday.org/2016/01/do-trans-kids-stay-trans-when-they-grow_99.html

    As for "medical professionals"? Matt Walsh exposed a few of these so called "medical professionals" and I wouldn't trust my dog under their care. Even if those are outliers...I still question ANY doctor who would opt to treat a child with life altering/experimental medications based on any evidence the child is showcasing.

    So as a loving and concerned parent? I'd opt to protect my child from your woke trans bullshit and rely on him outgrowing your indoctrination attempts. I'd do my best to shelter him from your pronoun, non binary bullshit. And enjoy the reality that he lives his life as a healthy normal adult male who has a sound grasp as to who he is, and how he fits into this world. Able should he choose, to enjoy the love of being a a husband and a father to children of his own one day.
     
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    Transgender Trend – Who Are We?
    We are an organisation of parents, professionals and academics based in the UK who are concerned about the current trend to diagnose children as transgender, including the unprecedented number of teenage girls suddenly self-identifying as ‘trans’ (Rapid Onset Gender Dysphoria or ROGD). We are also concerned about legislation which places transgender rights above the right to safety for girls and young women in public toilets and changing rooms along with fairness for girls in sport.
    They are just a bunch of parents. Likely with a bias.

    Also, from the 1st link.
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    Some of these studies are very old, the first being published in 1968 and others in the 1980s. This was during a time when being transgender was not accepted as widely in society as it is now so it can be argued that this may have influenced many to change their minds.

    As for who you trust or don't trust is your decision to make.
    Same holds true for the legal guardians and kids who are seeking professional help.
    Each will make their own decision on who to trust or not trust.
     
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    The only decision that is being circumvented is that of the wiser adult having to live with the irreversible alterations made by their younger, less mentally mature, self.

    So why are minors not legally allowed to consume alcohol, vote, or join the military?

    and

    Are you still on board with legal guardians and "professionals" on conversion therapy? Praying the gay away is still less invasive than throwing their junk away.
     
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    It's not less invasive if the person/child commits suicide. There's pros and cons to all options.
    AFAIK, conversion therapy didn't work and usually caused more harm than good.

    18 is an arbitrary age chosen as adult. Not sure where that number came from. But for some things, the age that some can do things have gone up. Like legally drinking alcohol. Minors can join the military. Have joined the military. It will require legal guardian approval. Same with alcohol consumption. Some states allow minors in bars and drinking, if with a legal guardian.
     
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    *some of these studies. Not all.

    So your attempt to discredit the data? I can just throw that in the trash.
     
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    You realize the line is not shock the gay out of them v co-operate and participate with their delusions.... right?
    You DO understand there is a vast gulf in between those positions where other actions may be taken or not?

    Its a useful age for compulsory military service, and we have this thing about being, or being able to be, dragooned into service if you're a 'child' so we say you're an 'adult'.
     
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    Preventing harm is common ground for both of us. There are PHDs still pushing conversation therapy. These "Medical professionals" are pushing their own brand of partisan quackery. Like those pushing drugs and surgery, they have good intentions, permission from the legal guardian, and a "professional' background. The child has a very small part in the decision.

    I strongly oppose both forms of quackery. No trans child should ever be told that they were born defective and require surgery to repair.

    I appreciate the discussion.
     
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    I discredit it because it's a group of parents with a bias against transgender.

    If you find credibility from that group, state what and why you find them credible. Or show where they have credible data that isn't 50 yrs old.
    How about something less than 20? 10 would be better yet.
    The science of sexual issues and brain functions is relatively new and still in research mode.
    New data comes out all the time.

    How about some data from Medical studies?

    ...
    When it comes to functional findings, the fMRI findings of the transgender brain versus the cisgender brain, the self body image networks become very, very important. Within the self body image networks, there was decreased connectivity in the transgender population compared to the cisgender population, showing that there was an issue with body self-perception in transgender people.

    Other functional studies looked at brain activation. People were given certain tasks, and the activation of certain brain areas was reviewed. Again, transgender people showed a lot of similarities to their identified gender as opposed to their biological gender.
    The Brain and Gender Identity: Current Evidence and Implications for Practice (Podcast) – Consult QD (clevelandclinic.org)

    cleveland clinic transgender brain study - Search (bing.com)
     
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    I do understand. But I am no expert.
    I don't know about other posters, what training they have in this field and experience in studying them, but they post here, so I don't think they are experts in the field as well.

    You do know, I have said in this thread many times, it's not my decision, the gov't decision, or any poster here decision.

    It's the decision between the medical professional, the legal gaurdians, and the person/child in question.
     
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    Conversion therapy I assume at one time was not considered quackery. Until it was proven to do more harm than good.

    I don't consider hormone therapy and if it evolves further, surgery as quackery. But I would be very very very very very cautious about going the surgical route.
    What I do know, is most trans people are legit trans people.

    The child would never have to tell their parents how they feel sexually and not involve anyone else but them at all.
    But I suspect, that weight is way to heavy for most to carry. And some action is wanted on their part.

    Will that work for every single person in that situation? No. Nothing in life is 100%. Except death, and most try to put that off as long as possible.

    I appreciate the discussion as well.
     
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    Desantis knows that, if he runs for President, his only hope to beat Trump is to keep trying to outflank him on the authoritarian right. Trump is already talking about passing similar draconian laws federally. Desantis will pull the "You had four years to get it done, and you didn't do it, but I did it in my state" card.
     
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    They won't even be allowed to transition socially at school, from what I understand.
     
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    The child lacks the capability to consent. Their parent and doctor abusing them doesn't make them able to consent.
    This applies to child marriage, and circumcisions' before you start.
    I find them each to be equally as abhorrent.
     
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    Well yeah, because they can't consent to it.
    Because they're a child.
     

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