Trans Minors Seeking Puberty Blockers, Sex Changes ‘Protected from Parents’ Under New Law

By that "logic", they should never receive any medical care at all. But keep going with the whole State = God philosophy. I don't share it and it is a shame to see the way the GOP is leaning so hard to the authoritarian right and is completely abandoning any appeal they once held for libertarians.

 

Asthma meds are a bit different than chemical castration or having society participate in reinforcing their delusion.
As already mentioned: If they can 'consent' to being transed at age 3, they can 'consent' to conversion therapy at the same age.

 

That's what doctors are for. I don't share your belief that the God State knows better than the actual medical professionals do. Your personal feelings of ickyness should play no role.

 

As again already mentioned: There are quacks who will prescribe conversion therapy and claim a child has 'consented' to it. They are the same as one who would claim a child 'consented' to being transed.

Its not a personal feeling of ickyness. Its an inability to consent to a procedure which requires consent. Its not emergency medicine ffs.

 

It is, absolutely, about your personal feelings. And no one EVER said that this decision should be left up to the child alone. The vast majority of medical associations support this therapy. Stamping your feet and calling almost every doctor in the country a quack based solely on your feelings while they are out there actually talking about evidence is a poor argument to defend the authoritarian approach you are applauding. The God State may know what is best for everyone in your mind, but I don't share that article of faith.

 

It is absolutely not about my personal feelings. Its about, as stated, a minor's inability to consent to such treatments.
And the guy who came up with the lobotomy got the nobel ****ing prize my dude. Phrenology used to be accepted by the medical establishment.
They straight up put in an insane asylum the guy who figured out washing your hands going from the morgue to birthing rooms saved lives.
You cannot simply appeal to them. Instead, use logic. Can a child consent to sex? No. Can a child contract? No. Can a child consent to conversion therapy? No. Do you think child marriage is right? Do you think a child can consent to that? How about circumcision's?

 

Data is just data. I'm completely fine with the follow up study from 2013 regarding children outgrowing gender dysphoria.

I discredit anyone pushing this trans nonsense as it's a biological dead end and harmful for society

Study from 2020.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32345113/

You think going down the trans road is beneficial? Or maybe we should just acknowledge that sometimes men can be feminine while women can be masculine? Seems to be less chance of suicidal thoughts and actions. What do you think, hmm?

 

I don't care what you find abhorrent. That's not the thread topic.
Why would parents want to abuse their children?

Some do by not loving them because they aren't like all the other kids, but that's the parents problem and that's why this thread exists.
A State passing a law to help runaway teens who are trans whose parents won't help or understand them.

 

Just in some backwards States? Not the entirety of USA?

 

Be

Beneficial, yes, to the kids. The majority of them. Not 100% of them. Nothing is 100% but death.

Your now switching your data from outdated studies to a suicide study?

This is from your link...

Data indicate that 82% of transgender individuals have considered killing themselves and 40% have attempted suicide, with suicidality highest among transgender youth. Using minority stress theory and the interpersonal theory of suicide, this study aims to better understand suicide risk among transgender youth. The present study examines the influence of intervenable risk factors: interpersonal and environmental microaggressions, internalized self-stigma, and adverse childhood experiences (ACEs), and protective factors: school belonging, family support, and peer support on both lifetime suicide attempts and past 6-month suicidality in a sample of transgender youth (n = 372).

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Suicide is high, because of societal, family, and friends reactions to them.

 

Oh, yeah, I meant Florida. But if Trump or Desantis wins the GOP nomination, you can bet it will be on their federal agenda.

 

Internalized self stigma...

I don't need to pivot. The first post regarding several studies about children outgrowing gender dysphoria as being upwards of 80 percent is valid.

It doesn't have to account for your bullshit rule that it has to be withing the last 10 years. 2013 is recent enough.

And the high suicide rate is just a reminder of what a dangerous path you are pushing your child down.

 

Did you miss the word estranged or just so caught up in the faux outrage generated by the likes of Brightfart that you missed it

 

Some with the best of intentions. Others because they're abusive.
You understand that sometimes parents abuse their kids right?

You mean minors who should be in the custody of CPS, and CPS or their surrogates foster care should not be abetting any mental delusions the children have or consenting to radical treatments.

 

They may try, but it won't fly nationally. This is not even a real issue, except to MAGA type.

Govt is not to be in the business of restricting healthcare access.
Their job is just to make sure the healthcare business is not practicing harmful healthcare. Subjective as that is in some cases.

 

It was valid 50 yrs ago, perhaps. There's bias in the data you presented because the group doing the presenting is anti transgender.

The high suicide rate is due to society, family, and friends not accepting them. As was already demonstrated.

 

And that's the gist of this thread, the abusive parents who are so bad the kids run away from home.
Of course I understand, that's why this thread about the law passed to address kids running away from abusive parents. Sheesh, read the OP.

 

I hope you are right. But state governments have already made it their business. Trump will be the most likely GOP candidate, and he's already signaled that he wants to see this done nationally. However, this is Trump we are talking about, and he was never great at staying focused and working with Congress, so he may just forget about it if he makes it into office again.

 

State gov'ts with like minded voters with probably rigged congressional districts.
That doesn't fly in the Senate and president.

 

You realize just because a kid 'runs away from home' does not equate to their parents being abusive? You understand a person has a CONSTITUTIONAL right to their children? Those rights can be terminated in a VERY serious proceeding called a TPR. Until and unless they are, those 'estranged parents' are the legal guardians of the child. Period.

FFS I once 'ran away from home' because I was told I couldn't do something I wanted to do. So in a fit of pique I started walking down the road. Got several miles before my mom picked me up.
Kids run away for many reasons, sometimes having zero to do with their parents.

 

This thread is not about you being upset with your mom and you throwing a fit, now is it.
It's about trans kids running away, which is not a teen hissy fit, and the State giving them a place to go instead of being out in the streets.

 

Its about kids running away from home and complaining they won't be allowed to chemically castrate themselves.
You think the kid running away is 1) legal and 2) TPRs the parents.

That's so laughable I'm not even sure where to begin trying to explain it to so well regarded an individual.

 

There was no bias in the follow up study from 2013. Get over it. Nor was their a bias in any of the previous studies. The only bias would be in those who COLLECTED the data to push the narrative that this is ****ing ridiculous.

And it is.

 

In a study published in 2014, psychologist Sarah M. Burke of VU University Medical Center in Amsterdam and biologist Julie Bakker of the Netherlands Institute for Neuroscience used functional MRI to examine how 39 prepubertal and 41 adolescent boys and girls with gender dysphoria responded to androstadienone, an odorous steroid with pheromonelike properties that is known to cause a different response in the hypothalamus of men versus women. They found that the adolescent boys and girls with gender dysphoria responded much like peers of their experienced gender. The results were less clear with the prepubertal children.
Is There Something Unique about the Transgender Brain? - Scientific American

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It’s not genitalia that determines gender, says clinical psychiatrist Murat Altinay, MD, Head of LGBT Mental Health Services at Cleveland Clinic. A closer look at brain structure and function reveals that transgender people have striking similarities to their identified gender rather than their biological gender — even before hormone therapy.

Dr. Altinay promotes the term “brain gender,” observing that “the brain actually is the main source when it comes to understanding your own gender and gender identity.”
The Brain and Gender Identity: Current Evidence and Implications for Practice (Podcast) – Consult QD (clevelandclinic.org)

...More studies showing gender ID is linked to brain activity.

 

We have feminine men and masculine women. We have since the dawn of time. We never decided to chemically castrate or permanently alter individuals based on their perceived gender.




Gender is defined by your reality. How you were physically born. But that doesn't determine your interests. Men can carry themselves in a more feminine fashion and woman can carry themselves in a more masculine fashion.

Doesn't change reality of what they are.

And we certainly do not need to make life altering choices for children who are highly likely in outgrowing the "fad" pushed on them by radical doctors and teachers who wish to gain virtue points.

No thanks. You sterilize your children...that's on you and would honestly benefit society if you did so. I'll insure my children can breed.