"Trans" Tinder date stomped to death

Virginia Tech football player accused of killing Tinder match after discovering his date was a man (msn.com)

It's bound to happen from time to time when trannies "surprise someone". Must have been a good makeup job though.

A suspended Virginia Tech football player punched and stomped his Tinder match to death after learning the person was a man, according to prosecutors. Isimemen Etute, 18, of Virginia Beach, was charged with second-degree murder in connection with the death of Jerry Smith in Blacksburg, where Virginia Tech is located, police said earlier this month. Smith, 40, died of blunt force injuries to the head, according to the Roanoke Medical Examiner’s Office.​

The killer was an 18-year-old Black guy. And Ewww... look at the picture of that creepy older white guy.
It's almost difficult to believe the white guy was able to trick the black guy into wanting to hook up with him.

I'd imagine that black guy was just really horny and wasn't very picky... and he was probably deceived by the picture too.
But then he was already there, and thought he might as well go through with it, at this point still thinking it was a woman.

It's totally understandable why that black guy would be angry.

I personally think the killer here should be given tons of mercy by the court.


"Transgender women" (or men who try to pass themselves off as women) should know this type of thing is totally not right. They better be honest with their would-be partner before any sexual activity commences.

 

Good lord! Imagine thinking trans panic is legitimate defense. Absolutely ridiculous.

 

Leading someone to have sex while deceiving them about the relevant details/nature of that sex can be seen as a crime in several countries like Sweden.
We've had several discussions about that sort of thing in this forum.

In my opinion, what happened here was like a form of rape. (albeit a very low degree of rape)

That older man took advantage of the much younger black teen, deceiving him and misleading him about his true gender. (This ended up causing the black teen severe emotional distress, obviously)

I also suspect the black guy was probably high on weed at the time, which would explain his judgement and perceptions being impaired.

In a way this is kind of analogous to a man taking advantage of a naive teen girl at a party after she has drunk too much alcohol and become intoxicated.

This will likely not be obvious to most people reading this, but I think this type of story can illustrate some clear double standards the society has.
We don't feel sorry for the guy because he is a guy, and the deception was about gender. (since there's this prevailing belief in society now that gender doesn't matter, and is almost irrelevant)
If it had been an 18-year-old girl and it had been a man who had taken advantage of her, and it had been some different sexual issue he had deceived her about, most people would be having a very different view on this.

 

What makes you think he was mislead? Didn’t see anything in the story that indicated Smith lied about his sex. Do you think you could make it all the way through a date leading into a sexual encounter without knowing you were out with a man? Particularly this man? He’s not exactly serving fish.

I wouldn’t be surprised if he knew what he was getting into and responded violently to being outed. I’m sure we’ll soon see chat logs suggesting something along these lines as the trial plays out.

 

Well, apparently the black guy was deceived. I know it's very hard to imagine how that could have been, looking at those pictures, but like I explained there were probably a couple of factors. The black guy was very horny that night, probably wasn't feeling very selective about what the woman looked like. The black guy may have been very high on weed, affecting his judgement and altering his perceptions. The picture the older man used was very misleading, and probably made him look much more like a passably attractive female than he did in real life. That could explain why the younger black guy went to the trouble of going to the other man's house to begin with.
The sexual encounter began, of course, with a blow job. As things progressed, apparently at some point the black guy realized there was "something else down there" on this woman he had come over to have sex with.

From the picture, the younger black guy looks like he would be considered sexually attractive to many females... or those passing themselves off as females.

 

That's what the prosecutor is claiming his motivation for killing probably was.

Maybe you need to read the opening post again. It's in the very first sentence of the article.

"...stomped his Tinder match to death after learning the person was a man, according to prosecutors."
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If you check the female box on a hook-up site like Tinder, and you put up a picture that makes you look female, you are claiming to be female.

I suppose this case could be very different if the older man had given a description in his dating profile telling what his gender actually was, and the young black guy simply had not realized it. That would certainly affect how much prison time I would sentence him to if I were the judge. But that probably wasn't the case.

 

I know plenty of gay men that are into femboys. This offers little to prove he wasn’t aware he was interacting with a male.

 

Tinder is not a site for gay people, or those interested in trannies and femboys.
Putting up a dating (more like hook-up for casual sex) profile there was deceptive.

 

The prosecutor bringing the second degree murder charges is claiming he wasn't aware.

If the prosecutor thought the evidence might point to a different motivation for the killing, they wouldn't be claiming that.

 

What makes you think gay people don’t use tinder when seeking other gay men.

 

When or if they do, they make it clear and obvious.

If you make a dating profile on a heterosexual hook-up site, without any indication that you might be something other than what you are representing yourself as in the profile, you better be upfront about everything when you come to visit that person, before the sex begins.

 

I'd say the 'sexual activity' was likely oral, where Smith wouldn't have necessarily been exposed as male.

IMO, that's just bad form, but Etute pretty much lost it, and I would be very surprised if he didn't get found guilty.

 

Prosecutors charge on what they can prove. They paint an easily digestible narrative.

Not that his motive really matters here. He’s murdering scum and should get the book thrown at him.

 

I’d better it was pretty clear, but again I don’t really care about his motive for killing a person. He’s scum.

 

The black guy may have consented to sex, but he did not consent to have sex a man.
It was not informed consent. The sex was obtained through deception and fraud.

It was a sexual violation.

That type of thing can cause severe psychological distress and harm to a young person.

If the prosecutor's theory is correct in this story, then the tranny was scum.

 

The moment he chose to stomp a man to death, he became a murderer. He’s a scumbag that deserves to spend a long time in prison. And with that I’m done with this thread. I’m not going to help signal boost hateful justification of murder by upping the post count.

 

If the black guy was not misled, if we are looking at that possible scenario, then that leaves open the question what was the actual motivation for the black guy violently killing the older tranny?

It's going to be much harder to prove a murder charge if we don't have any convincing motivation.

 

Has he never seen this?

 

Imagine thinking it ok to blame the victim?!

 

Getting someone to go out with you under deliberately false pretenses is certainly wrong. But its nowhere on the same level as murder. Not even close. Throw the book at the murderer.

 

More like getting someone to allow you to engage in a sexual act with them under false pretenses.

I don't view this as a fully intentional murder, more like second degree murder. The attack was intentional and very severe, but I personally don't think the black guy had it in his mind to specifically kill him.

He probably lost control and wasn't thinking.

 

Also not anything similar to murder.

 

I agree. Thats what hes charged with, right? He lost control of his emotional response to the extent that he violently murdered someone who had scammed him into sex. I think 2nd degree is right on the money. I would expect the same result if, for example, some dood got some chick to sleep with him based on his claim that he was a millionaire when he was actually broke, and then she stabbed him to death for it.

 

That's an interesting analogy, and yes, some analogy could be made there, but I don't think that's a good analogy.

Anyway, I think the black guy is partly to blame here just because of his drug use (which I am presuming existed, although the article does not mention anything about it). None of his decisions would have been made if it was not for the mental impairment caused by his use of drugs.
That, I think, definitely has to be seen as a factor here.
Just like if a woman goes to a party, voluntarily gets drunk, and some guy sexually takes advantage of her, I believe that situation is partly her fault.

Just as what that white guy did is a huge mitigating factor in the black guy killing him, so also is the black guy's drug use a huge factor itself mitigating that first mitigating factor.

You look at those pictures, there's just no way I can see that black guy choosing to engage in a sexual act with that other person if it was not for the influence of drugs.

 

Being intoxicated isn't (at least should never be) a legit excuse for doing something one would have otherwise not done. Its irrelevant to the discussion because he chose to knowingly alter his decision-making ability.

I already agreed the trans was wrong for 'leading the guy on'. But that doesn't somehow make the murder (or manslaughter, as it were) less unjustifiable.