Trump Allies Target Journalists Over Coverage Deemed Hostile to White House

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  1. Fred C Dobbs

    Fred C Dobbs Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    If there is no 'true Islam' then it should be ignored, as it should be. It has no redeeming qualities that I know but, of course, I could be wrong. Where is the good in Islam that can't be found elsewhere and I'll point out a few of the negatives which are largely common knowledge. Fair enough?

    Perhaps there have been influential philosophies and literature 'within the Islamic world', as you say, but they haven't had much influence anywhere else. And given the amount of censorship within Islamic countries there is little influence for change from the outside world. The Internet will change all of that over time and, I suspect, that's already happening. People will casually drift away from the religion, which makes a lot of sense.

    And attempting to insult me has no effect because, as a Muslim, your beliefs hold little intellectual interest or value. You're already a believer so the the search for any kind of 'truth' has already been made and exists only in those Islamic beliefs you may choose to follow. But Islam naturally limits those beliefs to Islam, in one form or another. You're boxed in.
     
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    More anti semitism from the left. Stop trivializing what the Nazis did to the Jews.
     
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    People should reach their conclusions on these issues on their own. I hope that is fair enough for you too.
    While, naturally, their influence is greatest on a separate civilization they helped develop, namely Irano-Islamic civilization, the idea that they haven't had much influence anywhere else is absurd. It fits only a world view that is ultimately totally 'anti-intellectual' and doesn't want to bother itself with scholarship. If you would like, I can expand on the issue for you, and provide you with reading material from top western scholars to augment what you have been exposed on these subjects. But here is something that I admit: the influence hasn't been as much as it should be!!! Yes, the Persian poetry of Rumi, even in translation, is among the most widely read poetry even in America, but ultimately not that many Americans read poetry anyway -- and fewer would even properly understand Rumi. Yes, Fitzgerald's translation of the Rubaiyat of Omar Khayyam from its Persian original is considered one of the great works of English literature, but most Americans don't read as much English literature to get to the Rubaiyat of Omar Khayyam. Yes, Goethe was keen to mention how he was most inspired by a Persian poet, Hafez, but there is simply no way an average American would ever understand the mystical poetry of Hafez! And I only wish more Americans would be exposed to great works of Persian literature and philosophy. It would really help tame their more barbaric instincts, the same way it eventually tamed even the Mongols and others who had come to Iran initially only to destroy. If they did, they would come to find a tradition and folklore like the one embodied in Ferdowsi's monumental epic, the Shahnameh, which would make the folklore and tales from the Abrahamic traditions which Iranians nonetheless influenced and even shaped greatly, so much more appealing all the same.
    The problem with the "influence from the West" isn't whether it causes people to move away from religion, but how it tries -- beyond its obvious political motives -- to also rob certain civilizations with a great history to build on and to move forward, the chance to do so. Westernization has its good aspects, but ultimately while the stagnation in the Islamic world (as with other ancient civilizations, such as the Chinese) needed and still needs an awakening of sorts, the best solution isn't to cut people from their own traditions and make them replicas of an increasingly unattractive west.
    As it so happens, and as I have mentioned enough for you to know already, I am actually not religious. I certainly don't believe any search for "truth" has already reached its final destination -- if there is such a final destination. But if you felt I insulted you, I wasn't trying to give you back what you dish. I was seriously amazed that someone who doesn't know a thing about Irano-Islamic civilization other than some absurd nonsense from politicized polemics, is then found posting the other message you posted.
     
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  4. Aleksander Ulyanov

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    Ah, the right's new defense. First Godwinsm and now 'triviialization' You can't even MENTION Nazis anymore.

    Bullshit. Look, you may be fooling other Trumpers with this malarkey but most people actually paid attention in High School history and know different. Naziism is a worldwide movement at present undergoing a resurgence and any ******* who goes out of his way to praise people walking under swastikas and chanting "the Jews will not replace us' is a god-cursed Nazi themselves, I don't care what religion his daughter claims to be.
     
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    A. It's not anti-semitic

    B. But your bigotry is ok?
     
  6. Fred C Dobbs

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    Certainly you can mention Nazism all you want, and imagine them everywhere, but those who do are considered to be poorly informed and somewhat hysterical dorks.
     
  7. Aleksander Ulyanov

    Aleksander Ulyanov Well-Known Member

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    That's what they said about Trump being President in 2015.
     
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    Really? Who is they?
     
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    Trivializing what happened to the Jews in Nazi Germany, is akin to holocaust denial, know what kind of people do that?
    B. Quote me.
     
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    Nobody is trivializing the holocaust

    Kind of blows your arguments when you base it on a lie

    Oops
     
  12. NullSpot the Destroyter

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    Wrong reply
     
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    FoxHastings said:
    The 14 defining Characteristics Of Fascism - rense.com
    rense.com/general37/fascism.htm
    6. Controlled Mass Media - Sometimes to media is directly controlled by the government, but in other cases, the media is indirectly controlled by government regulation, or sympathetic media spokespeople and executives. Censorship, especially in war time, is very common.""""



    Fascism, attack and discredit any opposition to the Chosen One and God Leader.



    Can any decent person align with blackmail to keep journalists from reporting something the opposition doesn't like??



    :) Nice shot at introducing racism where there was none....


    A journalists stories are fair game, THEY, the journalists, shouldn't be......
     
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    Wrong. Racist and anti-semitic, as well as sexual predators who also happen to be reporters MUST NOT be allowed to keep their jobs.
     
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    Why not? Trump keeps his job....
     
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    You seem to be off topic. I hope it's not triggering to mention it.

    And: Trump hasn't done any of the things I mentioned, so you're wrong from that aspect too.
     
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    They absolutely are. Comparing Trump to Hitler and his supporters to Nazis is exactly what that is. Have Trump and his supporters killed 6 million Jews?

    If you cant see that as trivializing what happened to those souls in Nazi Germany, there is little to be gained in conversing with you.
     
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    What is the relevance of fascism to this topic?
     
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    Based on what I've seen in the news & discussed in this forum over the past couple of years, I'd say Mullen's twitter comments were fairly accurate. Both the Neo-Nazis & the KKK have had a resurgence under Trump & his new Republican Party. It's worth noting that neither Trump or anyone in his party are taking a public stance against the ideas of the Neo-Nazis or the KKK. Someone once observed that "the only thing necessary for evil to win, is for those supporting the good, to stand aside & do nothing." Mullen was right in observing that Trump & his Republican Party qualify in this regard.
     
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    Oh puhleaze! Trump takes a stand against Neo-Nazis and the KKK every time he speaks out against the Democratic party! Republicans are against all authoritarian thuggery regardless of whether it's called Antifa or the KKK, the offspring of the Democrats
     
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    During the 2016 campaign & after the inaugural.
     
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    Hitler didn't START by killing 6 milions, by 3 years into his reign he hadn't done a lot more than Trump is doing now. Hitler HAD restored prosperity, there were jobs, jobs, jobs.
     
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    Oh, I don't think it is OK at all to trivilialize what Hitler did to the Jews, my goodness. I'm frankly stunned at the increasingly open antisemitism from the Left. Take Valerie Plame who retweeted an article penned by an antisemite from a website run by a Holocaust denier. This was in 2017. What is she doing today? Running for Congress!

    BLONDE ANTI-SEMITE VALERIE PLAME: “I come from Ukrainian Jewish immigrants.”
    Your claims are both slanderous and ridiculous. There is now way that this clown belonged in this position with these hateful vile views of those that politically disagree with him.

    This guy was supposed to be Dean and he hates members of his student body simply because of their political affiliation?

    They did the right thing, firing his hateful ass.
     
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    If your assertion that Republicans are against all forms of authoritarian thuggery were true, then they'd have no use for Trump. Their support for Trump countermands your post.
     
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    Democrats invented the KKK. Democrats invented Antifa.

    Name an authoritarian brownshirt organization the GOP has founded. And please source your cite.
     

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