Trump Calls on Cast of 'Hamilton' to Apologize, Saying They 'Harassed' Mike Pence

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  1. cupAsoup

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    What a thin skinned chump, that Trump. The guy who's going to beat ISIS is intimidated by the musical theater kids. Will someone please tell that idiot he won the presidency and take his twitter away?
     
  2. After Hours

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    Looks like the bloated orange man child needs a safe space.
     
  3. AmericanNationalist

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    Obama was officially the president, this is different. This is directly undermining the incoming administration. As much as some might find that their duty, other law abiding Americans want to ensure a peaceful transition to power and a successful Trump administration.
     
  4. RP12

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    Please quote these "policy decisions".. Use factual sources not kook blogs.. Go for it.

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    Can you actually read the OP before you reply to me? Thanks.

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    I know America starts with a capped letter. Yes there is plenty of diversity why would they attack Pence based on nothing?

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    They directed it at him... Come on now read the OP.
     
  5. Ctrl

    Ctrl Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yeah... it's funny. Irony's my favorite.
     
  6. dixon76710

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    The Constitution doesn't prohibit deporting illegal immigrants.
     
  7. RP12

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    Implying someone is a bigot or racist is not being respectful. Its gotten to the point the left smears people so often now you think it can be done "respectfully"?

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    See the response to "You lie".
     
  8. StillBlue

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    When will Republicans learn that live theaters are dangerous places for them?
     
  9. Bluesguy

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    So you don't know anything and are upset Trump uses Twitter.....gotcha.
     
  10. Bluesguy

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    Ahh the 1st Amendment grants you no protection from public criticism of what you speak. Maybe you should go read it again.

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    Which ones claimed it was dangerous?

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    That's the problem with being an outsider, the view is clouded from out there.
     
  11. Your Best Friend

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    Is it possible you are referring to me? That's rich...and presumptive for no reason.

    Remember nature is not a mother. Remember liberty is not a lady.

    Both asks for
    protection. You aren't too good with words but perhaps you should have said the Hamilton cast, when addressing Mike Pence, didn't ask for special protections, only to be protected like white people (which is a presumptive plea not to be racists, despite your claim to the contrary).
     
  12. StillBlue

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    Think the first republican president's last theatrical experience.
     
  13. Marcotic

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    How is it a presumptive plea not to be racist? You don't have to be an ist to take the easy road back to the old status quo.

    And even if it is a presumptive plea (which so far no one has come close to demonstrating) since when is it unacceptable to see something, form an opinion and "tell it like it is"? I seem to remember an election recently where that was seen as a strength.

    Trump doesn't have the monopoly on calling things as he sees them, and people will have differing opinions about how "it is." This is America, get over it.
     
  14. Your Best Friend

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    Because it assumes racism where none has been demonstrated....that's how!

    You assume with no justification that
    the Hamilton speech actually was "telling it like it is". The public comments from Brandon Victor Davis amount to a "when did you stop beating your wife"
    statement and many feel it to be unjustified. But I take it you have no problem assuming the worst before the Trump administration even gets started.

    There is nothing for me to get over and perhaps you should get over yourself, instead. I'll wait for an actual problem before I start lecturing
    political figures and I guess that since Trump is fair game for the left a presumption of innocence is only appropriate when the president is named Obama.
     
  15. Marcotic

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    Only in the mind of the paranoid does what was said constitute an assumption of racism.
    A public official need not be an "ist" to put into remove or allow the removal of rights. Further, looking at someones past actions (whether it be the Pres or his cabinet) and making a criticism or even a claim of "ism" isn't something to be feared, it is in fact people simply pointing out how they see the world.

    If what the Hamilton actor said reflected how he sees the world then yes, it is "telling like it is". Your reaction to that is you "telling it like it is". In this sense "telling it like it is" has nothing to do with what the truth of the matter is, but is rather a statement reflective of the events as observed by those "telling it like it is".

    You are wrong about my assumptions sir/madam, and I would advise against assuming what my assumptions are as your skill in that regard is quite lacking. I have high assumptions for the Trump admin.

    There is nothing for you to get over? Good! For a second there I was worried you believed you have a monopoly on "calling it as it is" and that only your opinion is viable in a world full of opinions and a country where its encouraged to share them.
    You accept, then, that you don't have the monopoly on calling things as you see them, and just because someone has a different view, it doesn't mean that they are simply wrong but rather they see things differently.

    EDIT: and also, you don't think its wrong to assume the worst of the Trump Admin but ok to assume the worst in the actors that spoke out do you? You seem to be applying a double standard in that regard.
     
  16. Penrod

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    Yes you would think Lincoln would have taught them a lesson

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    By who ?
     
  17. dairyair

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    You realize, public figures don't have a private life. Never have never will. It is part of the job description. If one can't handle the public as a public persona, they don't belong as a public figure.

    This includes, singers, actors, politicians.
    I've never heard such whining before about someone grabbing an opportunity to say something to a politician.
     
  18. dairyair

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    Come on man, stop making much out of nothing. If trump wasn't such a special snowflake none of this would be making headlines.
    Pence handled the situation with class and dignity. Trump, like a whiney little girl.
     
  19. dairyair

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    I did. And your post was a lie. It's why I asked you to prove your claim. Which of course you did not.
    Thanks.
     
  20. dairyair

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    I didn't think you could tell the difference.
    Here: Asking to be protected as a special service is NOT the same as wanting to be protected like every other citizen. Some groups of citizens feel the incoming admin has it in for certain groups. Like gays, some women's choices, etc. They're afraid they won't afford them the same.
    YW.
     
  21. Your Best Friend

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    :roll: If I beseech you
    to respect my rights, as a citizen of "diverse" nature, then an assumption that you might not has already been reached.
    That's not paranoia, pilgrim. That's a fact!
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    The cast of Hamilton can see things however they wish and I couldn't change that if I tried
    (which I would not attempt to do).
    But Dixon's preemptive public rebuke of Pence (in an albeit civil manner) reveals his mind is already set in place
    and I merely wish this sort of grandstanding were based in fact rather than the paranoid political zeitgeist that seems to have overtaken most of the left
    in the wake of a Trump victory. I guess that's too much to ask for, however.

    I judged the cast of Hamilton by their own freely made public comments. That's what they have done.

    I only ask them to judge the Trump administration based on what they do rather than being swept up in the paranoid political fervor of the moment.
    Is that so extreme?
     
  22. dairyair

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    NO. It doesn't assume racism. I didn't get a hint of racism in it.
    I guess we have different characters.

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    Exactly. I saw no hint of racism in the comments.
    Except it was a black man giving the talk. So I guess, as you say, paranoids, jump to conclusions.
     
  23. Marcotic

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    That one might not respect ones rights does not, however, mean that they are thought an "ist" or guilty of an "ism".

    If you had said what I quoted above, I wouldn't have called your views paranoid. But yours went a step further and actually made the assumption that the Ham's believed that the Trump Admin was / is an "ism".

    That is a bridge only the paranoid walk, and a bridge too far for me.
     
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    I understand their message and just feel it is premature and more due to the paranoid political zeitgeist than actual fact.
    Before public pronouncements are made and the political well poisoned even more than it already is, if that's possible, then I think such claims should be based on fact and not social fervor.
     
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    At this stage we can assume everything he said he'd do was a lie or take him at his word and raise concerns as the cast did. Either way it's not good.
     

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