Trump insinuates using rifles to fire on Liz Cheney

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  1. Patricio Da Silva

    Patricio Da Silva Well-Known Member Donor

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    Have you read the reportage on it? The daughters said they discussed a number of times, and they said their father, who was a tenant in one of Trump's condos, offered it for 'access', and given what we know about Trump, who is the most transactional president in history, what are the odds he'd do something like that to avoid service?

    Clearly you don't know Trump.

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...mp-vietnam-war-bone-spur-diagnosis/2420475002
     
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    Patricio Da Silva Well-Known Member Donor

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    It has everything to do with HYPOCRISY, .

    He's alleging Cheney is willing to send others to die because she didn't serve, that was the basis for his violent imagery, which was totally inappropriate for a man who has a bullhorn to 75,000,000 devoted followers, of whom a tiny percentage are prone to VIOLENCE as evidenced on January 6.

    Well, given that Trump has

    1. Gotten 5 deferments, one fake
    2. Ordered military ops and approved of others leading to 5 servicemen being killed his first year in office.

    Therefore, given these RELEVANT facts, Trump is a hypocrite.
     
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    Yes! And, I say again: if you have followers that take your words literally, like Trump DCES. You're either stupid to make that kind of comments, or you do them on purpose. So which one is it in the case of Trump?
     
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    Also Trump called Nancy Pelosi "sick" and "evil" as he called the Capitol Police "so bad and so evil" for daring to resist his angry mob on Jan 6.

    "I know your pain, I know you're hurt. We had an election that was stolen from us. It was a landslide election, and everyone knows it, especially the other side. But you have to go home now. We have to have peace. We have to have law and order. We have to respect our great people in law and order. We don’t want anybody hurt. It’s a very tough period of time. There’s never been a time like this where such a thing happened, where they could take it away from all of us—from me, from you, from our country. This was a fraudulent election, but we can’t play into the hands of these people. We have to have peace. So go home. We love you; you’re very special. You’ve seen what happens, you’ve seen the way others are treated that are so bad and so evil. I know how you feel. But go home, and go home in peace."

    Who exactly were so bad and so evil that day to deserve punishment? Not his mob. The people who were "so bad and so evil" were the Capitol police who dared to resist his mob.

    Trump: "Mike Pence didn't have the courage to do what should have been done."

    Mob: "HANG MIKE PENCE!!"
     
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  5. Patricio Da Silva

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    Thank you, now send that over to @Leo123 whom i directed my comment to.
     
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    Hippies used to say that all the time during Nam. It was a valid criticism especially during a draft.
     
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    Oh you underestimate Trump's cleverness, he purposed timed everything to kick can to Biden, right at the end of his term, all of which he could have done year prior, he had paying lip service to getting out of Afganistan for that long.

    Biden didn't make the hypocritical remark that Trump did,
    Harris didn't make the hypocritical remark that Trump did

    Why was his remark hypocritical?

    Because Trump ordered a military op, and approved of others, that, during his first year in office, resulted in 5 deaths of servicemen and since he got 5 deferments, one fake, proves he is a hypocrite, not to mention that years prior, on Howard Stern, he voiced his approval of the Iraq war.

    Biden didn't lie on any of his deferrements like Trump did.

    Gabbard is irrelevant, and a turncoat.
     
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    Quote an example?

    NO ONE DOES THAT!!!

    But, tRaitor tRump. :wtf:
     
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    The war in Iraq and the war in Vietnam are not comparable. Those are 2 very different wars with very different circumstances. You try to equate them. It is called a "false equivalence."
     
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    Whether the bone spurs were fake or not, he's still a hypocrite, because of his remark about Cheney, all the while he ordered a military op and approved of others which resulted in the deaths of 5 servicemen during his first year in office, not ot mention that he approved of the war in Iraq on Howard Stern, years prior.
     
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    It is one thing to be a chicken hawk, not all presidents served and they are required, as commanders in chief, to send people into harms way. What, you are going to chide them for their duty as commander in chief? Yes, we know the neocons were into regime changes, and that's all long since passed as viable foreign policy, you know the old saying 'hindsight is 2020',

    That isn't the issue, hypocrisy is the issue. Trump made a big deal out of Cheney, when he, himself

    1. Approved of the war in Iraq
    2. Ordered a military op and approved of others that resulted in the deaths of 5 servicemen, while he didn't serve, either.
     
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    This is more or less an insane opinion. The Baltics and Poland have long been in NATO, and now Finland, a new member, gets to join in on the free ride. The idea that Putin was going to invade a NATO country out of the blue is based on some grade a hysteria your politicians have fed you.
     
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    Wrong, please abstain from posting crap.
     
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    Would you like to offer a mature input to this adult conversation?
     
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    as usual your comments are outside the box of reality. They are very different wars but in each case, those serving go where they are told and people like Liz Cheney tend to be quick to want to use the military. war hawks are war hawks
     
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    OMG, we could supply the world steel industry for a century with the amount of irony there
     
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    Who cares, even if it is true, he's still a hypocrite for his comment about Cheney when he

    1. Approved of the war in Iraq
    2. Ordered a military op and approved of others that resulted in the deaths of 5 servicemen, while he didn't serve, either.
     
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    well he is honest-he hates Trump, cannot really explain why in terms of rational policy arguments and he admits he doesn't really care if Kackles is qualified or competent. He just hates Trump.

    has anyone actually seen a rational argument for the hate?
     
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    What military op?
     
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    Here are the American presidents since FDR who didn't start a new war, so note that there are both dems and repubs on the list, the point about 'Trump not having declared a war' isn't really a point that means anything. Servicemen died under his ordering military ops.

    1. Dwight D. Eisenhower: While he managed the Korean War and authorized covert operations, he did not start a new war.

    2. John F. Kennedy: Although he was involved in the Cuban Missile Crisis and the Bay of Pigs invasion, he did not start a new war.

    3. Richard Nixon: He expanded the Vietnam War into Cambodia and Laos but did not start a new war.

    4. Gerald Ford: He presided over the final stages of the Vietnam War but did not start a new war.

    5. Jimmy Carter: He focused on diplomacy and human rights, avoiding new military conflicts.

    6. Donald Trump: He did not start a new war during his term, although he authorized military actions and increased tensions with several countries and 5 (that I know of) servicemen died.
     
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    "fake or not" bone spurs....

    Wow.... seems like you had it all nailed down before... now you are not so sure? As your "testimony" by the daughters blew up in your face you may want to rethink your claim... "“But did he examine him? I don’t know,” she said." doesn't pass the smell test...

    You have yet to show "Turns out the doctor who did it for Trump, it was a quid pro quo for access to Trump. "

    https://archive.ph/7wbQK
     
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    It rings absolutely true, because Trump is a,.....


    1. Criminal: Trump has been convicted of 34 felony counts of falsifying business records in New York. He also faces multiple other criminal charges, including attempts to overturn the 2020 election and mishandling classified documents.
    2. Fraudster: Trump has faced numerous allegations of fraud, including the Trump University case, where he settled for $25 million over claims of misleading students. Additionally, the New York Attorney General's office has pursued a civil fraud case against him and his company for inflating asset values.
    3. Sex Abuser: Verify. Trump has been accused of sexual misconduct by at least 27 women, including a civil case where he was found liable for sexually abusing E. Jean Carroll and ordered to pay $5 million in damages.
     
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    Meanwhile the only person who has actually been shot at is Trump.
     
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