Trump insinuates using rifles to fire on Liz Cheney

Depends upon when you look at our history. Many of the middle class and even the upper middle class went into combat. Not so much these days.

You could be a kid going to college or university in California in the 1960s, not a dime coming from your parents, and work enough on the side to hire that draft lawyer who got you out of the draft. 100% success rate if you started early enough.

Some of the rich kids went to war in Vietnam, but not many.

 

Yet..... you can not show us Trump did not have bone spurs....any more than you can show us Trump used the student draft deferments...

 

That's about as close as you can get to 'you're either with us, or you're with the terrorists' without literally quoting Bush...

What part of not wanting WW3 over some Russian-Ukrainian separatists means I'm with Putin and Xi?

 

The point is, he is every bit the draft dodger that the bad orange man is.

 

Next thing you know liberals will want us to start eating freedom fries !

 

Fortunately, changing your draft board, getting braces on your teeth, etc. could be your ticket out. Doing that to your body is a little extreme. I can't say you couldn't consider it, but back then you could support yourself, go to school, and hire a draft lawyer. I knew a lot of guys who did just that.

You could also leave the country. Canada was a popular destination for draft dodgers and deserters.

 

I don't think so. The "freedom fries" thing was always stupid.

 

Those who send our young people to fight, get wounded or die, in some useless war, should lead the way. I am sick and tired of members of congress and presidents sitting in their mansions, getting paid hundreds of thousands of dollars, living in luxury and privilege, sending young people off to war. F*** them! Let's give them a rifle and let's see how hawkish they really are. You do that, and you'll find out who the cowards and hypocrites are in a big hurry. Trump was right.

 

Different strokes for different folks and small town America was a different place then and now. And no that is not a healthy alternative. Then again given the way he drove I think he has some sort of a secret even from himself death wish

 

More deflections, recall what the point was:

"There is no context in which a person who is fit for the office would have said what Trump said" (the violent imagery in his statement directed at Liz Cheney, who is someone who has the courage to speak truth to power).

Now, if you can refute that, please try, but, of course, you can't. There are no counter arguments more compelling than that one, which is why you are deflecting.

Tap dance some more, shall we?

 

See my other reply. But, I'll bite on your 'Biden deferments'.

Trump had 5 deferments, the last one was fake, and we have him on tape approving of the Iraq war, not to mention during his first week in office he approved of the Yemen raid which resulted in the death of a Navy seal, and later that year he approved of methods employed during the Niger Ambush in which four service members were killed, so, tell your buddy Trump, he is a monumental HYPOCRITE.

Biden, unlike Trump, did not say (and you can include the 'context' which does not diminish the hideousness of it):

Let's put her [Cheney] with a rifle standing there with 9 barrels shooting at her. Let's see how she feels about it. You know, when the guns are trained on her face.

Note that Joe Biden had a son, Beau Biden, who served honorably in the military, you can't say that about any of Trump's children. This idea that Biden wasn't mindful of the gravity of decisions that send people to war is absurd.

 

The Afghanistan war lasted throughout Trump's presidency, and though he promised to end that war, he lacked the courage to do it and kicked the can to Biden.

But, that isn't the salient part: Trump had 5 deferments, the last one was fake, and we have him on tape approving of the Iraq war, not to mention during his first week in office he approved of the Yemen raid which resulted in the death of a Navy seal, and later that year he approved of methods employed during the Niger Ambush in which four service members were killed, so, tell your buddy Trump, he is a monumental HYPOCRITE.

 

And what 'point' would that be, Shutcie?

 

I was 1A during the late 60s. I was lucky with a high lottery number, but I was exposed without the lottery number for a year. Funny thing, though, several years later I joined the Navy, anyway.

Anyway, to your comment. It doesn't ring true to me. The narrative that Donald Trump dodged the draft by piling on pounds is not backed up by anything resembling credible evidence that I can find. The record is clear: Trump secured four educational deferments while he was in college, followed by a medical deferment in 1968 for bone spurs. That’s it. No "strategic weight gain." No mysterious pounds shed in basic training avoidance. Just deferments, including that highly scrutinized diagnosis of bone spurs in his heels, which, conveniently enough, seemed to surface when a stint in Vietnam loomed large. Were you just blindly speculating? Or do you have evidence for this.

The notion that a person could waddle their way out of the draft is misguided at best. The Selective Service might have temporarily deferred overweight men, but they’d have been called back, again and again if necessary. And if they stayed overweight? They’d likely end up shedding those pounds in basic training anyway. Real deferments -- the kind that actually kept you out of combat — were educational, medical, or a cushy enlistment in something like the National Guard or Coast Guard, the latter often a refuge for those seeking to avoid the front lines.

Trump’s medical deferment has always been contentious, with whispers that it was obtained through family connections. But to be clear, the weight-gain theory simply doesn’t hold water. His ticket out was bone spurs, not binge eating. And for those trying to invent revisionist history, the facts speak otherwise: there’s no basis to claim that Trump evaded military service by “strategic” weight gain.

 

Of the top of my head, I can think of five servicemen who died from his approved military ops. The first one occurred during his first week in office.

I'm sure I could find more, if I tried.

We know the bonespurs were fake from the testimony of the doctor's daughters who told us they were fake. Turns out the doctor who did it for Trump, it was a quid pro quo for access to Trump.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...mp-vietnam-war-bone-spur-diagnosis/2420475002

 

What violent image? Is it more violent for her than the people she is willing to send to war?

 

You know what is irrational? Calling half of Americans 'garbage.' The hatred is coming from TDSers and the radical left that has infiltrated the Democrat party.

 

The Democrat party doesn’t represent America.

 

Sounds good. Stick the war pig in battle in a foreign land and let’s see how eager she is to send America’s children to war.

 

That is called hearsay. She had no personal knowledge of whether it happened or not.

 

You have been deflecting in your own thread. Whether or not Trump had deferments or not has nothing to do with it.

 

Bill Maher agrees with Trump. Hippies said the same thing.
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Trump didn’t kick the can on Afghanistan. He had every intention of dealing with that, but he didn’t get re-elected.

Biden also received 5 draft deferments. Bill and Hillary Clinton never served. Bush 2 served but never in combat. Obama never served. Trump never served. Kamala Harris never served.

Tellingly, Tulsi Gabbard served in a medical unit in Iraq during the war, and her attitude towards unnecessary wars is well known. She and I see eye to eye on this topic.

 

Probably more than half of Americans disagree with you. Moreover we know that last time, Trump did an excellent job. The real mentally disturbed are the TDSers who believe made up DNC accusations about Trump are actually real. I don't see hatred coming from Trump supporters like I do with the totally deranged TDS Democrats. They have called Trump every name in the book, tried to claim he was a Russian operative, impeached him on nothing, told their Democrat constituents to 'get in the face' of Trump supporters wherever they are, they call Trump a Nazi and an existential threat to 'Democracy,' used lawfare to try to put him in jail, have their sycophant legacy media constantly bash him and even turn our Federal judiciary against him by using Soros funded DAs, AGs, and even judges against him.

The Marxist element in the Democrat party has become very strong with Soros contributions in the form of nice sounding 'foundations.' It is they who are attempting to 'split the nation into fractious behavior' by claiming an open border is good, that boys can be girls and visa versa, claiming that whites are all racist, men hate women and on and on and on. Hopefully the populace chooses the patriotic American route and put Trump back as POTUS for 4 years.

 

Trump didn’t start the Afghan war. He didn’t start any war, nor did any nation attack another while Trump was in office. Your desperation is so damn laughable I won’t even point out the obvious flaw in your comeback.