Trump may come out of this latest Kurd debacle smelling like a rose

In this interview by Tucker Carlson - the retired Army Colonel - predicts that the Kurds wold make a deal with Damascus - he goes on to say that this is what Russia - and the US administration have been telling the Kurds to do.



As per the Colonel's prediction - the Kurds indeed have made a deal with Damascus

I can think of no better solution to this situation - we get out of that mess - the Kurd's are spared wholesale slaughter - and if Turkey and Syria want to duke it out - they are welcome to duke it out.

It is not as if this was not inevitable anyway - Syria at some point was going to try and take its territory back.

 

Lets hope this is a case of better to be lucky than good.

 

He's come out of a few situations smelling like a rose. Perhaps it's time to just relax, enjoy watching Trump be Trump, and look honestly at some of the visible benefits coming out of his presidency.

 

Dirty Donald following His butt buddy Vlad the Bad's orders!!!

 

Donald Trump, largely because of his bombastic OTT character, is one of the most underrated people to ever appear in American public life.

 

Time to leave this sad world behind, Giftedone, and appreciate all the good things that are going on.

 

It was fun watching the leftists turn all warhawk on the President they insisted was going to be a bloodthirsty warhawk.

Hypocrisy is always hysterical.

 

It's hard to place a price on the trust of your allies.

 

And discouraging.

 

The Kurds trusted America prior to Obama's retreat in December, 2011 but after that they probably realized that loyalties can change from one US Administration to the next. The only constant loyalties, though now under question, is the Five Eyes agreement.

 

All Americans owe the Kurds a debt of thanks for their effectiveness in the actual war on terror.


Umm, yes, you do.

 

I am not here to blow smoke up Trump's already inflated backside. I am simply calling a spade a spade - which in this case serves to illustrate - and/or highlight the ridiculousness of some of the reporting around the Kurd issue.

"Oh - the poor Kurds" "our beloved allies against ISIS"

Lets dissect this for a moment.

1) It would be a travesty if Turkey laid waste to the Kurds .. so yes - poor kurds. I sympathize with their struggle for statehood. Heck- was the region not once called "Kurdistan" ?

So yes - poor Kurds.

BUT - I also sympathize with the people of Yemen - once two or three separate regions - I think ethnically but certainly politically and ideologically divided.

After 6 years of civil war in the 60s - North Yemen - "Arab Republic" and South Yemen- "Peoples Democratic Republic of Yemen" were two separate states. These two battled each other for years -

In 1986 there was a civil war in South Yemen - Just a people who can't much get along in general a region under continual chaos.

Civilization goes back a long way in these parts - thousands of years - not like the US being around for a few hundred - strong cultural heritage - and perhaps more of a tribal mentality.

"Large settlements for their era existed in the mountains of northern Yemen as early as 5000 BC.[39]"

These regions were brought together under one banner "Yemen" in 1990.

Much conflict in the region for the next 20 years - civil unrest and so on - Yemen also became a hotbed of extremist ideology (as we might would expect from such a nation. - Poor embattled nations are hot beds for radical ideas in general ... look at Africa and all of the various "stan" ex soviet union nations - makes fertile soil for such ideology )

Yemen was a hotbed for Al Qaeda - Saudi Arabia's brainchild - This Saudi inspired Islamic law totalitarian nightmare ideology - represented one side. The other side is a mix of leftist influence - other cultural things - and a different form of Islam - Not the "Saudi Style" -

In 2011 there was a revolution .. surprise surprise .. in 2014 a coup.

Saudi stepped in to support its side "Al Qaeda Side - same ideology - different pile" .. and the rest is a very sordid history of war crimes and crimes against humanity.

We didn't hear much about the plight of the freedom fighters/ revolutionaries in Yemen now do we ? "Oh Poor Kurds" - and nothing has even happened to the Kurd's yet - meaning not mass wanton slaughter that was predicted.

In Yemen - the wanton slaughter - ethnic cleansing - war crimes - crimes against humanity have been happening for many years - against the side that does not want the Saudi Style nightmare imposed on them - fighting for freedom do go down a different path.

These people are not the "Terrorists" - in the same way as the Saudi inspired terrorist groups - they are not radical extremists. Sure - they will do some bad stuff fighting for their freedom .. but that is different - we do a whole lot of bad stuff as well - in the name of maintaining our freedom.

So how come we do not have coverage on the plight of these people - while presenting the proper ideological perspective .. Side 1 is A -- Side 2 is B. Not just saying Saudi's vs Houthi's -as if this means something to the average viewer.

Perhaps its because we are on the side of Al Qaeda in this one .. and therefor complicit in these war crimes and crimes against humanity.

Yeah ... "Poor Kurds"

"our beloved allies against ISIS"

2) This is where the spin and the "SIN" - sin of omission - gets hot and heavy.

For the purposes of ideological perspective - ISIS/Al Qaeda are the same - as is El Saud. And we are allied with this perspective in Yemen.

In Syria we were allied with Al Qaeda - and other groups of the same ideological perspective and goal "to make the world one big Islamic State" - extremist Sharia for all - groups which then coalesced into an Islamic State -and they ran that State with our blessing for many years. Our blessing which included tens of thousands of tons of sophisticated Military Equipment and other support.

We were allied with the cause to turn Syria into an Islamic State for 5 or 6 years. Then to try and cover our tracks we started fighting ISIS in Syria. .We did this after the Syrian Army and Russia had wiped out Al Qaeda and ISIS from all of the areas of Syria under their control - which was most of the nation .... sans the part that the US controlled ... oddly enough . the only place where ISIS and Al Qaeda were left.

The MSM has been peddling a nonsense narrative . Pure Propaganda .. and necessary illusion. Like we are the "good guys" in the region. Fighting terrorism .. and fighting for individual liberty.

We are on the side that "Hates" individual liberty .. The people fighting for Assad are the one's fighting for individual liberty .. fighting against the Saudi strict sharia totalitarian nightmare. It matters not that Assad is a Bad guy .. what matters is what the people of Syria want .. and they want liberty from the El Saud nightmare.

Which side are you on ... the people of Syria fighting for individual liberty .. or the Strict Sharia El Saud nightmare ?

 

See post 12

 

I'm reluctantly on the side of Trump with this one. As you say, these intercine rivalries go back thousands of years and the western world will try 20th Century solution to seventh century problems.

I learned something of the Kurds from an unlikely source some years ago, Anthony Bourdain. When asked if the US would ever abandon the Kurds they responded that No, they most certainly would not. Shortly thereafter Obama pulled the troops from Iraq, claiming he had 'ended the war'. You may like it.
https://www.travelchannel.com/shows/anthony-bourdain/episodes/kurdistan

 

Are you saying Trump was fighting Assad?

 

I was not.

 

Yet the left wants us to go to war with Turkey, a NATO ally.

 

I am not against Trump on this one .. to early to decide given the information so far. Seems like there was a quazi agreement of sorts in place - this decision is starting to appear as if it was not as blind as it seemed initially - and as blind as was presented.

 

It's a long post with a lot of subjects. Point me in the right direction.

 

We didn't need to go to war with Turkey... before.
They were afraid to invade because we had a couple hundred people in the area.

 

I don't think so .. It is more asking Russia for a favor - "please help us out of this mess" - and the Russian's following what we suggest.

Not that Russia minds - only a fool thinks that Russia has not won the Battle for Syria - we are not going to have much influence over the region for a long time. Leaving a few troops there to do who knows what .. is not going to alter this reality.

We will be getting out sooner or later - you can't just sit in a nation - against the will of that nation - forever. The war is over - the only significant remaining ISIS/Al Qaeda presence is in the area that is under US control - we need to get out and let Syria/Russia finish cleaning up the mess - like they did in the rest of the country.

 

*LOL*

So, you characterize the eeeeevil libruls as being something that you conveniently think that they're supposed to be against, and then call this strawman "a hypocrite"?

Good stuff, dude.

 

The post was about how ridiculous the media coverage of this Kurd issue has been .

 

See this right here?

Two of those people, the two liberals, are now vehemently criticizing Trump for, get this, yer gonna love it...

REMOVING TROOPS FROM SYRIA!

Isn't that amazing? How good is that stuff, dude?

Would you like me to point out the hypocrisy to you? I could maybe shine a laser pointer on it, or circle it with a bright orange highlighter, if you're having trouble seeing it.

 

Who wants that?

Point them out, my evidence-shy friend.