Trump said to lift all military restrictions on Israel on 1st day in office according to reports

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  1. Joe knows

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    https://www.foxnews.com/world/trump...ons-israel-first-day-office-according-reports





    these are the policies that we need to use to create peace. I’m very happy that Donald Trump is willing to be a man about this and show the world that we will not tolerate ax against the Jewish state like what happened on October 7 peace always comes through strength never through weakness.
     
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    Heh. Lot of people fell for the "no new wars" line, and now they celebrate escalation as soon as he announces it.
     
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    ****ing disgusting. All we are showing the world is that we tolerate and even promote genocide. I was hoping Trump would be a man about this and show the world that the USA would reclaim a moral stance in the world, but he is blowing it. I should have known better.
     
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    Thank you President Trump for not losing sight of the truth over there or out moral duty in it.
     
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    Tolerating genocide would be to tolerate exactly what everybody around. Israel wants the only people that want to commit genocide. Are those who want to kill all Jews and destroy the whole Jewish state I ran back groups that are fighting against Israel are a combined effort to Israel off the map, your views are wrong in every sense
     
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    I don't think Trump is taken in by the false accusations of genocide, and precedent shows that he is very pro-Israel. This comes as no surprise whatsoever to me.
     
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    There is no new war. This is one that was allowed by weakness displayed by the current administration if we originally backed them the way that we should be backing them it would’ve never happened.
     
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    The only people dying are Muslims. 70% women and children. tens of thousands, likely well over a hundred thousand when the rubble is finally cleared. Go ahead and support it if you want. When history looks back on this, it will be counted up there with WW2 Germany, Turkey, and the Congo. Trump could have shown moral backbone and resist America's Zionist masters, but he has caved, again. Can't say I'm surprised. Another administration that will finish off what little is left of the moral fiber in this country.
    He could have shown he is a better man than Biden, which should have been very easy. But nope, the selling out of America to foreign interests continues.
     
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    People are and have been dying on both sides, and there is more involved than just people dying. Israel is surrounded by Iran-backed proxies, and one of those at least launched a pretty nasty attack on Israel on October 7 of last year, an attack that never should have been possible in the first place.
     
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    One that was purposely ignored and likely facilitated by Israeli intelligence to give them the excuse to finish off the Palestinians that they have been chipping away at for decades. Those trillion+ cubic feet of natural gas in the Gaza Marine natural gas field off the Gazan coast looks very pretty to Western interests. Palestine was challenging Israel to the rights of that natural gas field in...surprise surprise...just before October 7th, when they ignored reports from their own security guards that Hamas was about to attack, and after multiple reports that a major attack was planned. 12 energy companies including BP have been licensed to explore those fields, which were being complicated by Palestinian demands that they had rights to their own territory's resources.

    None of this is a coincidence. This was all planned, to displace and/or slaughter the Palestinians for the real estate and the resources. Not to mention the Ben Gurion Canal that has been on hold for years.
     
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    Reminds me of some 9/11 trufer nonsense right there.
     
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    Uh huh. So you can't dispute it? Over a trillion square feet of natural gas, found entirely within Gazan waters. I'm sure there is no incentives there at all for Israel to annex and control the place. I'm sure after the ethnic cleansing/genocide is complete, we won't see western exploitation of this titanic natural gas supply. Riiiight.
     
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    Huh? How do you figure?

    This kind of blank check is guaranteed to escalate the situation, and possibly start a very big war.

    And no, it is not the US responsibility to prevent every imaginable war on the planet.

    It didn't take long for the apologist to do a 180 turn after the leader/
     
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    Whatever. I don't go for conspiracy theories predicated on speculation and personal bias.
     
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    https://researchcentre.trtworld.com...ocidal-war-on-gaza-is-also-about-oil-and-gas/

    "In 2001, Ariel Sharon’s election as Prime Minister signalled a more hard-line stance towards Palestine, leading to a turbulent period. Israeli Supreme Court decisions systematically challenged Palestinian sovereignty regarding control and profit rights over these fields, and proposed agreements were generally halted. By the start of the Second Intifada, Israel’s approach followed a systematic oppressive policy denying the fair distribution of the natural gas reserves in the region. This political environment dashed hopes for any win-win deal between the two protagonists, primarily due to the radical stance of the Sharon government.
    Subsequently, the Israeli authorities opposed any regular funding to the PA, citing the risk of funding Hamas in Gaza as a pretext.
    Israel’s overarching strategy from then until now has revolved mainly around monopolising control over the natural gas reserves in Gaza Marine and the oil reserves along the West Bank-Israel border while simultaneously depriving the Palestinians of a fair share of revenues resulting from these resources.
    This approach has inflicted considerable financial setbacks on the Palestinian economy and hindered its path towards statehood. To achieve these ends, Israel takes an adversarial stance in negotiations, often citing Hamas as a reason for distrust and insecurity. Furthermore, proposals for agreements have been designed to bypass the Palestinian Authority (PA), effectively blocking any chance for a fair distribution of resources and revenues.

    Recently, Israel seized the events of 7 October 2023 as an opportunity to advance its strategic goals. In the early stages of the onslaught on Gaza, discussions surfaced regarding alternative scenarios, including a proposal from the Israeli Intelligence Ministry suggesting the population transfer of Gazans to the Sinai Peninsula. Netanyahu actively engaged in lobbying the EU to exert pressure on Egypt to approve a massive influx of Gazans into the desert.
    Furthermore, three weeks into the war, Israel granted new exploration licenses to six companies, including BP and ENI, to explore natural gas reserves in the G Zone, an area adjacent to Gaza’s coastline. Notably, 62% of this region falls within the maritime boundaries declared by Palestine in 2019 under the 1982 United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea (UNCLOS), to which Palestine is a signatory."


    Not only that, but 80% of the Meged oil field lies in Palestinian territory in the West Bank, which contains 125 million barrels of oil. Then of course there is the portions of the Levant Basin oil fields that lie within Palestinian territory.

    This conflict is about control of energy resources, and Israel will not let the fact that it is slaughtering the innocent get in the way.
     
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    is Trump gonna get the USA in a boot's on the ground war
     
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    I seriously hope not. What we are doing already over there is bad enough without putting our troops in harms way.
     
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    Isn't that telling.
     
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    They'll bend over backwards to make arguments for every new war in the next 4 yrs. Follow the leader.....
     
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    The Middle East and parts of Africa are in flux due to local conditions, unrelated to anything the American administrations were, are, and will be doing. Tribal, clannish societies have difficulty processing the rapid changes brought by global access to information and outside influences. Upheavals, wars, and escalations are the normal state of affairs in such conditions.

    It always amazes me how opposed peace-loving Westerners are to end conflicts, on supposedly humanitarian grounds. This way, conflicts never really end. Giving one side the means to totally defeat the other side, and changing the balance of power in such a way that the defeated side never rises again, is not an escalation but the only practical way to end wars.
     
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    So I take it you would be just fine with it if the US sided with Hezbollah and Hamas to eradicate Israel once and for all? Or do these sentiments only extend to us aiding Israel to defeat Hamas and Hezbollah? Or would you be just fine with the US withdrawing and allowing Iran, Syria, and others to overrun Israel with no help from the US? Were you against our aiding Israel in the past so the wars could end with the removal of Israel?

    I'm guessing you wouldn't be OK with that, and this sentiment you profess only works in one direction.
     
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    Can you address what I wrote instead of what you imagine I think?

    A war ends only when one side can completely defeat the other side. Any war, anywhere on this planet.
     
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    It's the quickest way to end it.
     
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    Hezbollah, Hamas, and Iran are the only countries that want to commit genocide. Israelis are simply defending themselves and retaliating. War is ugly and the Gazan government decided to start a war that they obviously could not handle. There is no way the Israeli government should not respond to an attack like Oct 7th. They should not stop until the threat is completely neutralized. If they allow the threat to survive history has shown they will just do it again.
     
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    Good. The Israelis have proven to be more adept at killing terrorists than anyone on the planet, the US included. The more weapons they get the better.
     

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