Trump's Raids are meant to terrorize Americans. So I decided to help stop this.

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  1. conservaliberal

    conservaliberal Well-Known Member

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    The Bill of Rights are the first 10 Amendments to the Constitution.

    But I'm not at all certain that these pertain to citizens of foreign countries, or to illegal aliens who invade our country completely without the cover of legality. Oh, and BTW, fraudulent and/or defective claims for "asylum" do not (NOT) make them legal and binding on the United States!
     
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    jcarlilesiu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I wonder what would happen if illegal immigrants in Mexico did this.

    What do you think would happen?
     
  3. Noone

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    Our Constitution protects everyone's human rights.
     
  4. conservaliberal

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    Including citizens of foreign countries who illegally invade our country, sneak past our borders, and make fraudulent 'asylum' claims? I'd like to see your proof for that observation!
     
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    We still have to treat them like human beings until they are legally dealt with. :roll:
     
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    Good thing we are much better than Mexico.
     
  7. Bush Lawyer

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    Not merely the Constitution. Also the UN Convention the US is a signatory to.
     
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  8. Bob0627

    Bob0627 Well-Known Member

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    That's why they created a 9th Amendment. The founders were not about to list every human right under the sun in the Bill of Rights. So the 9th protects all unenumerated rights for EVERYONE within the jurisdiction of the US. There are no exceptions.
     
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    You sure about that? Do illegal aliens have 2nd Amendment rights? No. Do legal immigrants have 2nd Amendment rights? Only if they hold a green card.

    Seems like rights do differ for different categories of persons, at least when the categories are citizen, green card holder, tourist visa holder, illegal, etc.
     
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    You don't know where this picture came from do you...
    Hint: It is the result of orders given one of your guys.
     
  11. Melb_muser

    Melb_muser Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Only Maga get off on this stuff.
     
  12. Mungo Jerry

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    Nah.
    You didn't give warrants a second thought.
    You thought it was clever, so you posted it.
     
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  13. Mungo Jerry

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    See?
    You STILL don;t know where the picture came from.
     
  14. Bullseye

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    Nice try. You forget laws exist that deal with every issue you've listed. Search warrants, proves of ID, proves of citizenship status, etc. You must have missed the day in 8th grade civics when these issues were discussed. Yes, certain rights are still guaranteed, but they are tempered by civil and criminal laws.
     
  15. Bullseye

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    Nope. The point you don't seem to grasp is that Constitutional law is not the end all and be all of our legal infrastructure. IF a cop has a legal search warrant, for instance, your little speech is nonsense. You have a right to have counsel when talking to authorities and you can't be tortured to force talking but procedure exists to compel you to talk or suffer consequences. As I said above a warrant limits your 4th Amendment rights. Talk to any good lawyer and he will likely counsel you to comply with directions from L.E. Then let your lawyer eat their lunch.
     
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    Your idea will not stop the apprehension and deportation criminal illegal immigrants. (I have no idea why you would not want that to happen.)

    I suspect ICE is already using search warrants. But if they go to a door with probable cause but no search warrant, and they are refused entry, they can park themselves at the front and back of the house and use that probable cause to go get a search warrant. It only takes a few hours.
     
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    And its funny - nothing on the Red Card website talks about warrants and the legal requirement to allow entry to officers who have them.
     
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    How true - Trump's raids terrorize Americans:

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    100% sure. All rights are protected by the Constitution for everyone within the jurisdiction of the US. Read the text for yourself (if you can understand its plain English language text), you don't have to take my word for it. It certainly doesn't mean that the US government cannot abrogate all those rights and it doesn't mean that a rogue US government cannot violate anyone and everyone's constitutionally protected rights and it doesn't mean the US government (or elements within) cannot trash the Constitution as it has done on numerous occasions throughout its history and is doing so now 24/7.
     
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    Are we though?

    How is it third world countries understand the importance of sovereignty and borders... yet you can't get it?
     
  21. FreshAir

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    maga is beating cops with the American flag still on the pole
     
  22. rkhames

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    What predecessors are you talking about? Obama who used a technique known as Turn Back South (TBS), ICE or Border Patrol agents would come across illegals inside the US borders. Instead of arresting them they would tell them to turn around and go back to Mexico. They would wait until they started heading south, and then drive off. The illegals would wait until they were out of sight and then continue their trek north. Obama even went so far as to attempt to enact immigration laws through Executive Orders that we shot down by SCOTUS. Or are you talking about Biden who opened the borders to everyone without vetting them, and in many cases without even giving them a court date.

    Trump's efforts to secure the border was hampered by Democrats at every turn. So, what will happen now. First, Trump does not need a court order to remove criminal illegals from the country. That is going on now. You will notice that there are no court battles trying to stop the process. Why? Because the law is clear on this point. If you enter the US illegally, and commit another crime, you do not pass GO and do not collect $200.00. The once the Administration has removed a substantial number of illegal criminals, they will start in on those that were released into the country without a court date and never registered as they were told to do. Then those that failed to show up for their court date, and then finally, those that attend their court hearings to learn that they are not eligible for Asylum. You could say that Biden set Trump for success in the area.

    Where I would worry about, if I were to get a frontal lobotomy and become a Democrat, is those that impede Federal authorities in the execution of their job. A New York state Sheriff is being investigated for failing to honor an ICE detainer. Instead of notifying ICE of the illegal's impending release as Federal Law requires, he was released into the community. ICE eventually located and arrested the illegal criminal. Remember, the Laken Riley Act is now the law of the land. The federal government can use that to rid states/cities of their sanctuary status.
     
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    It IS clever. But, more importantly, it's informative. It teaches people to protect their rights.
     
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    No, it's not. Basic human rights are rooted in moral, ethical and philosophical principles, and are inalienable; founded in the principles of human dignity and justice. Ideas like the rights to life liberty and security, free from slavery and oppression. Freedom of thought and conscious. They apply equally to all humans.

    Constitutional rights, like those in our BOR, are legal constructs and apply to US citizens and legal residents.
     
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    Yes! And that's what the card DOES! Remind anybody attempting an illegal raid that laws exist and that people have rights.

    Funny response!
     

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